Should an act of expression be a crime?

In my opinion, if you own one of five lunch places in downtown Birmingham a you don't want to let black people have lunch there, okay.

However, if you own one of five lunch places in downtown Birmingham and all five refuse to allow the black workers have lunch there, not okay. Especially if you use the governments roads as a means of egress an ingress to your establishment, public services to run your business or public police to protect your ability to operate.

Balance.


If you own a wedding cake operation and you offer 6 cakes and a gay guy orders cake number 4, you cant refuse based on his homosexuality.

If however, you own a custom wedding cake operation and a gay guy comes in and wants you to make a wedding cake with two men on top holding hands, I think you have a right to refuse.
 
Of course - the war w/ a thousand blunders that killed thousands, that you didn't care about - but then Benghazi, with one blunder that killed 4, was like the apocalypse for you. And you want to talk about hypocrisy?

Unfortunately, George Bush didn't say EXACTLY the same thing. My criticism of Bush has always been specific to the way he misled the American public. How he outright lied about an agent named Curveball & his intel on bio-weapons labs in a State of the Union. How his admin "fixed the intel around the policy," which they did - and which is inherently dishonest. How Colin Powell's aide was given a "chinese menu" of intel, and told to "make the case for war."

He wasn't straight w/ the American people, at any step in the process. He made a decision early on to go to war, and purposefully filtered out any information that would undermine that decision. The cost to our country was severe, in dollars, lives & credibility. To watch you apologize for him and the damage he did as much as you have over the past 13 or so years has been one of the more disgusting aspects of this site. To watch you try to create equivalency w/ quotes Democrats made - many in the '90's, and not one of which called for invasion - is truly laughable.


OK....lets start here......so exactly what did Bush say about WMD that is inconsistent with what all those Democrats said....perhaps you have quotes I'm not aware of....
 
OK....lets start here......so exactly what did Bush say about WMD that is inconsistent with what all those Democrats said....perhaps you have quotes I'm not aware of....

I told you: he lied about Curveball. He FIXED THE INTEL AROUND THE POLICY. His admin told Colin Powell's aide to essentially cherrypick the info that would make a case for war.

If you can't see how that kind of strategy is inherently dishonest & designed to mislead, I can't help you. Show me where the Democrats did that.
 
Should Americans be prosecuted for expressing unhappiness with an American policy? The Nation, the people, the government, the Country?

I am very uncomfortable when a person with power starts suggesting this. Thank God for checks and balances but they are not foolproof.


Do any Trump supporters feel uncomfortable with Trump suggesting that people lose Citizenship or be put in jail for political dissent?
Cite where he said that.

Do you have a problem with your fellow JPP liberals calling for the murder of people solely for a POV?
 
I told you: he lied about Curveball. He FIXED THE INTEL AROUND THE POLICY. His admin told Colin Powell's aide to essentially cherrypick the info that would make a case for war.

If you can't see how that kind of strategy is inherently dishonest & designed to mislead, I can't help you. Show me where the Democrats did that.

Just answer the question....exactly what did Bush say about WMD that is inconsistent with what all those Democrats said......
I'll understand if you can't ....

I'm not interested in you generalities about what Powell said of about Curveball....the Democrats quotes on Saddam and WMD don't involve them at all.....

All you've got is the same of old general accusations about he lied and opinions....you claim he specifically claim he lied about WMD....so tell how what he said is different from what the Dems said.... either they all lied or nobody lied...you can't have it both ways.

Or refresh you memory here....
Key Judgments (from October 2002 NIE) - Iraq's Continuing Programs for Weapons
 
Just answer the question....exactly what did Bush say about WMD that is inconsistent with what all those Democrats said......
I'll understand if you can't ....

I'm not interested in you generalities about what Powell said of about Curveball....the Democrats quotes on Saddam and WMD don't involve them at all.....

All you've got is the same of old general accusations about he lied and opinions....you claim he specifically claim he lied about WMD....so tell how what he said is different from what the Dems said....

Or refresh you memory here....
Key Judgments (from October 2002 NIE) - Iraq's Continuing Programs for Weapons

These aren't generalities. And Powell didn't lie about Curveball - Bush did. These are all facts:

1) Bush lied about Curveball in a state of the union message
2) From day 1, the intel was fixed around the policy. What this means is that the decision was made to go to war, and they cherrypicked only that intel which supported a case for war.
3) Colin Powell's top aide was given what he called a "chinese menu" of intel, and told to use only that which would help him make the case for war to the U.N.

That is exactly what Bush did & said that is inconsistent with all of those Dem quotes that you love to post, but which are so useless. Oh, and he also invaded Iraq, which is something none of those quotes called for.

For once in 13+ years, stop being such an apologist and take your blinders off. What Bush said & did was incredibly dishonest, and cost this country dearly. Hold him accountable. Try to avoid the knee-jerk, "But, but the Dems!"
 
In my opinion, if you own one of five lunch places in downtown Birmingham a you don't want to let black people have lunch there, okay.

However, if you own one of five lunch places in downtown Birmingham and all five refuse to allow the black workers have lunch there, not okay. Especially if you use the governments roads as a means of egress an ingress to your establishment, public services to run your business or public police to protect your ability to operate.

Balance.


If you own a wedding cake operation and you offer 6 cakes and a gay guy orders cake number 4, you cant refuse based on his homosexuality.

If however, you own a custom wedding cake operation and a gay guy comes in and wants you to make a wedding cake with two men on top holding hands, I think you have a right to refuse.

OK again....If you own a wedding cake operation and you offer 6 cakes and a gay guy orders cake number 4, you cant refuse based on his homosexuality.


How about if you refuse to sell him a cake based on his political views, religious beliefs, or the shoes hes wearing for that matter....???
 
discriminate (dî-skrîm´e-nât´) verb
discriminated, discriminating, discriminates verb, intransitive
1.a. To make a clear distinction; distinguish: discriminate among the options available. b. To make sensible decisions; judge wisely.
2.To make distinctions on the basis of class or category without regard to individual merit; show preference or prejudice: was accused of discriminating against women; discriminated in favor of his cronies.

verb, transitive
1.To perceive the distinguishing features of; recognize as distinct: discriminate right from wrong.
2.To distinguish by noting differences; differentiate: unable to discriminate colors.

[Latin discrìminâre, discrìminât-, from discrìmen, discrìmin-, distinction.]
- discrim´inate (-nît) adjective
- discrim´inately adverb

Excerpted from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Third Edition © 1996 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Electronic version licensed from INSO Corporation; further reproduction and distribution in accordance with the Copyright Law of the United States. All rights reserved.
 
These aren't generalities. And Powell didn't lie about Curveball - Bush did. These are all facts:

1) Bush lied about Curveball in a state of the union message
2) From day 1, the intel was fixed around the policy. What this means is that the decision was made to go to war, and they cherrypicked only that intel which supported a case for war.
3) Colin Powell's top aide was given what he called a "chinese menu" of intel, and told to use only that which would help him make the case for war to the U.N.

That is exactly what Bush did & said that is inconsistent with all of those Dem quotes that you love to post, but which are so useless. Oh, and he also invaded Iraq, which is something none of those quotes called for.

All three claims you make are the same ...he lied....generalities...nothing specific and not even on the topic of my original post....

Here is where your double standard shines, Thingy, your hypocrisy.....

Bill Clinton, Kerry, Obama, Hillary, Pelosi, Sen. Kennedy, Al Gore,
Albright, etc. harped about Saddam and his WMD, but when
George Bush says EXACTLY the same thing, he is the liar, never a word about the others....and its so easy to be
consistent and say they were all lying....or as I always say, they were all wrong......instead of being a hypocrite as you've proven over and over.

Like always, you want to move the goalposts, discuss something else....why?...because you got nothing to refute what I posted...

For you, Its the the terror of the inconvenient truth .. the brain becomes motionless .. and all avenues to critical thought are blocked.,,(bac)
 
All three claims you make are the same ...he lied....generalities...nothing specific and not even on the topic of my original post....

Like always, you want to move the goalposts, discuss something else....why?...because you got nothing to refute what I posted...

As I said, they are not generalities.

I get it. You can't address it, or discuss it. It's fine. It's been the same for 13+ years.

Must protect Bush.
 
PS
"These aren't generalities. And Powell didn't lie about Curveball - Bush did. These are all facts:

1) Bush lied about Curveball in a state of the union message
2) From day 1, the intel was fixed around the policy. What this means is that the decision was made to go to war, and they cherrypicked only that intel which supported a case for war.
3) Colin Powell's top aide was given what he called a "chinese menu" of intel, and told to use only that which would help him make the case for war to the U.N.

That is exactly what Bush did & said that is inconsistent with all of those Dem quotes that you love to post, but which are so useless. Oh, and he also invaded Iraq, which is something none of those quotes called for.

For once in 13+ years, stop being such an apologist and take your blinders off. What Bush said & did was incredibly dishonest, and cost this country dearly. Hold him accountable. Try to avoid the knee-jerk, "But, but the Dems!"" T1 #166
Bush lied.
* "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt, that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
U.S. President Bush (the younger) televised address to the U.S. March 17th, 2003
It is impossible for that statement, made before congress on camera, to be anything other than a lie.

On Secretary Powell's casus belli presentation to the U.N. General Assembly:
during the Cuban Missile Crisis JFK presented formerly classified U2 spy plane images of Soviet missiles on Cuban soil.

For Bush / Cheney / Powell's casus belli presentation, Secretary Powell presented drawings, generated by the U.S. government, of "mobile WMD labs".
Some body was responsible for those drawings getting into Secretary Powell's hands. And if you follow that chain of custody to its source; you shall find one of the original liars.

But Bush (younger) was the liar in chief. Bush lied *.
 
PS

Bush lied.

* "Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt, that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised."
U.S. President Bush (the younger) televised address to the U.S. March 17th, 2003
It is impossible for that statement, made before congress on camera, to be anything other than a lie.

On Secretary Powell's casus belli presentation to the U.N. General Assembly:
during the Cuban Missile Crisis JFK presented formerly classified U2 spy plane images of Soviet missiles on Cuban soil.

For Bush / Cheney / Powell's casus belli presentation, Secretary Powell presented drawings, generated by the U.S. government, of "mobile WMD labs".
Some body was responsible for those drawings getting into Secretary Powell's hands. And if you follow that chain of custody to its source; you shall find one of the original liars.

But Bush (younger) was the liar in chief. Bush lied *.

Believe whatever you need to....

"Saddam Hussein certainly has chemical and biological weapons. There's no question about that."

Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi (Democrat, California)
During an interview on "Meet The Press"
November 17, 2002

http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html#viL8sPidHw
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"There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein's regime is a serious danger, that he is a tyrant, and that his pursuit of lethal weapons of mass destruction cannot be tolerated. He must be disarmed.

We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."

Senator Edward Kennedy (Democrat, Massachusetts)
Speech at Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies
September 27, 2002

http://freedomagenda.com/iraq/wmd_quotes.html#meC4KnBuxD
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Saddam Hussein has spent the better part of this decade and much of his nation's wealth not on providing for the Iraqi people but on developing nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons and the missiles to deliver them."
-- President Bill Clinton (State of the Union Address), Jan. 27, 1998
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"No one has done what Saddam Hussein has done, or is thinking of doing. He is producing weapons of mass destruction, and he is qualitatively and quantitatively different from other dictators.""Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
--Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
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"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has reinvigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
Letter to President Bush, Signed by:
-- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), and others, Dec 5, 2001
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The point I'm making is that if you believe Bush lied then you MUST admit the rest of the people that said essentially the same things lied....

You just can't have it both ways.....if Bush lied, they all lied.

Key Judgments (from October 2002 NIE) - Iraq's Continuing Programs for Weapons
 
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OK again....If you own a wedding cake operation and you offer 6 cakes and a gay guy orders cake number 4, you cant refuse based on his homosexuality.


How about if you refuse to sell him a cake based on his political views, religious beliefs, or the shoes hes wearing for that matter....???


I think for the most part that would be okay, you see political views, religious beliefs, shoes and hats are choices. Now if a situation came up where Catholics couldn't get lunch because nobody in town would sell it to him, my opinion would change. Catholics should not starve for their religious beliefs.
 
lol once again you guys got trolled. #trumptrapped.

Clinton put forth a bill in 2005, coincidently seeking a year in jail for the intent to burn the flag.

thats just a bonus. The goal is to get everyone in the media to speak out and defend flag burning one day after we have the school shooting in ohio by the somali refugee. Bonus points if you have libs filming themselves burning a flag in youtube or something.
 
Hillary Co sponsored a bill in 2005 to criminalize flag burning.

Funny how libs don't have a problem with that.

Fact check that, she sponsored a bill banning flag burning when the sole intent was to start a riot or insite violence. I still disagree, but that is signifigantly different.
 
Fact check that, she sponsored a bill banning flag burning when the sole intent was to start a riot or insite violence. I still disagree, but that is signifigantly different.
Hillary beats Bill. She used the "N" word one time. Significantly is hard to spell after a couple of doobies.
 
thats just a bonus. The goal is to get everyone in the media to speak out and defend flag burning one day after we have the school shooting in ohio by the somali refugee. Bonus points if you have libs filming themselves burning a flag in youtube or something.

And that is even worse, using an American ideal to manipulate politics.
 
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