Should churches, synagogues & mosques etc. be taxed?

[Good Luck]

Pathetic that one who describes themselves as a constitutional conservative can have absolutely no clue what the Constitution is actually for.

Anyhoo, for those people with the brains to understand the principles of the Constitution, and understand that 1/3 is a real number:

We do have a history in which various governments have attempted - sometimes successfully - to emplace a tax or fee on one of our rights. The most famous which pundits of both liberal and conservative camps agree was the incidence of poll taxes, most of which were specifically designed to prevent Blacks from exercising their newly granted right of franchise. Poll taxes were overturned, and a Constitutional amendment added to make sure they stayed overturned.**

As such, a precedent has been set that states, essentially, enumerated rights cannot be taxed because it prevents lower economic classes from exercising those rights. The 2nd Amendment was an exception to this principle because, until Heller, it wass argued by the anti-gun totalitarians that the 2nd Amendment wass a collective rather than individual right. Heller has set that misconception correct, and I am certain the various penalty taxes and fees some states and municipalities have set will have their turn at being overturned as an unconstitutional encroachment on one of our inalienable rights. (Happy, Dixie?)

The right of free exercise of religion, being another inalienable right enumerated by the Constitution, (happy again, Dixie?) should, and if there is ever the need for a challenge to taxation of religious ionstitutions, will, IMO, also be declared as an unconstitutional encroachment on an enumerated inalienable right. (Happy again, Dixie?)


**

SIDE NOTE: one of the glaring holes in modern politics is we are overly dependent on precedents set by court decisions to keep our rights in order. This is going to bite us big someday, and possibly sooner than we think. For instance, the well-known exclusionary rule is a mandate handed down by a SCOTUS decision that excludes any and all evidence that is gained from actions which are in violation of our constitutional protections. But we did not protect that decision by adding it's concept to our Constitution. As a result, over the past decade or so government has been taking bites out of the exclusionary rule, adding this or that exception (Well, if they didn't MEAN to trample your rights by busting down your door in the middle of the night with no search warrant, then whatever they find is still OK.) We need to get out of our lazy apathy, and when the Courts find a hole in our Constitutional protections, we need to add an amendment to plug that hole so later courts cannot come along and say "just kidding - your rights in this matter don't exist after all."

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Pathetic that one who describes themselves as a constitutional conservative can have absolutely no clue what the Constitution is actually for.

Then you should stop describing yourself as one!

Anyhoo, for those people with the brains to understand the principles of the Constitution, and understand that 1/3 is a real number:

Anyone who thinks the fractional representation of value known as "1/3" is an actual NUMBER, has the mental capacity of a third-grader.

The rest of what you have to say, is public high school level understanding of what the Constitution means and the principles behind it. You are a prime example of a know-it-all who is completely ignorant. You missed my point, but you have demonstrated you aren't capable of grasping a point, unless you are scratching your pointy pinhead! If you could ever overcome your stubborn egotistical pride, and realize you don't fucking know everything, and if you would actually open your ears and mind and listen... there would be hope for you. Unfortunately, people like you, never change.

 

[Schadenfreude]

Then you should stop describing yourself as one!



Anyone who thinks the fractional representation of value known as "1/3" is an actual NUMBER, has the mental capacity of a third-grader.

The rest of what you have to say, is public high school level understanding of what the Constitution means and the principles behind it. You are a prime example of a know-it-all who is completely ignorant. You missed my point, but you have demonstrated you aren't capable of grasping a point, unless you are scratching your pointy pinhead! If you could ever overcome your stubborn egotistical pride, and realize you don't fucking know everything, and if you would actually open your ears and mind and listen... there would be hope for you. Unfortunately, people like you, never change.

your ignorance of math is amazing - 1/3 is 10 divided by 3 which becomes a repeating decimal, e.g., 0.333333333333333333, etc.

you may be confusing numbers with integers - if you do not believe me, ask a math teacher/professor

 

[Airstrip One]

Shit, this guy must either know about the infamous 1/3 debate, or else the post is of the utmost irony!!

 

[Based Chad]

Yes pinhead, let's keep this short, by all means. Our rights are endowed by our Creator, not "enumerated" by government of a piece of parchment. This is the difference between a constitutional conservative, and a pinhead liberal. You apparently lean towards the side of the pinhead liberal, and I am a constitutional conservative.

I already clarified that I understand our inalienable rights are 'enumerated' in text form, for the purposes of constructing a Constitution, I get that... haven't disputed that... but this does not mean the right itself is being enumerated to us by the Constitution. All of our inalienable rights are equivalent to each other, there is no way to adequately list them in any order of importance or relevance(i.e. to enumerate them), and really, no need to do so, other than to stipulate what they specifically are, in the context of the Constitution. It is a flagrant and gross misunderstanding of inalienable rights, to presume they are 'enumerated' by the constitution.

But putting this silly semantics game aside, even if you believe our rights are enumerable and determined by the constitution and not endowed by our Creator, the first and foremost right listed is freedom of religious exercise. This was the #1 main reason for us to declare independence in the first place. You see, we didn't believe the National Church should be telling us all how to live and what to do, and how to worship, how much tax we should pay, etc. Our founders realized that a Church or Government could not be relied upon to ensure our freedom and liberty, and the TRUTH is, there is only one source of our freedom and liberty, and that is our Creator. Our rights come from the Creator, we are endowed with those, regardless of any enumeration, regardless of anything man can ever write or pontificate. Inalienable!

No dixie. Our rights really are enumerated on a piece of parchment, that creator stuff is just rhetorical flourish.

God didn't come down on a cloud and repel the british and hand us the constitution.

We fought for it.

Rights are fought for, and then enumerated on a piece of parchment, just so they can be remembered better.

 

[Good Luck]

Shit, this guy must either know about the infamous 1/3 debate, or else the post is of the utmost irony!!

I've seen enough references to it to have guessed what was going on.

Dixie thinks that because 1/3 does not equate to an exact decimal fraction that it does not exist as a real number. Right? Bet he went on and on and on and on and on............

 

[Good Luck]

Then you should stop describing yourself as one!

Show me one place in all of my posts since I joined this site where I refer to myself as a constitutional conservative. That is not how I refer to my political philosophy. So, not only are you an egocentric moron, you are a liar as well. Typical of your type. No wonder the conservative movement has such a bad name.

Anyone who thinks the fractional representation of value known as "1/3" is an actual NUMBER, has the mental capacity of a third-grader.

Well, fractions ARE introduced in 3rd grade, so you are somewhat in the ball park. Of course you leave out that anyone who does not understand that all fractions, including those which cannot be expressed as a terminating decimal, are real numbers has the mental capacity not quite up to the standards of a preschooler. What about 1/6? 1/7? 1/9? LOL Parade your ignorance in pride, vacuum skull. It's worth a laugh anyway.

The rest of what you have to say, is public high school level understanding of what the Constitution means and the principles behind it. You are a prime example of a know-it-all who is completely ignorant. You missed my point, but you have demonstrated you aren't capable of grasping a point, unless you are scratching your pointy pinhead! If you could ever overcome your stubborn egotistical pride, and realize you don't fucking know everything, and if you would actually open your ears and mind and listen... there would be hope for you. Unfortunately, people like you, never change.

Actually I was using a level of explanation aimed at middle school. High school level explanations are obviously way beyond your capacity. Sadly, so is the simplified version.

It would be funny if it were not so pathetic that you not only display a level of ignorance usually reserved for children with brain defects, but also a level of sheer unadulterated hypocrisy as to defy imagination. You describe yourself perfectly.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

your ignorance of math is amazing - 1/3 is 10 divided by 3 which becomes a repeating decimal, e.g., 0.333333333333333333, etc.

you may be confusing numbers with integers - if you do not believe me, ask a math teacher/professor

No, YOUR ignorance of math is amazing! "1/3" is a fractional representation of value, not a number. 1/3 of 1,000,000 is certainly not 10 divided by 3! 1/3 of 12 is 4, not 10 divided by 3! They must have skipped fractional representations at the retard school.

 

[Based Chad]

No, YOUR ignorance of math is amazing! "1/3" is a fractional representation of value, not a number. 1/3 of 1,000,000 is certainly not 10 divided by 3! 1/3 of 12 is 4, not 10 divided by 3! They must have skipped fractional representations at the retard school.

fractions are numbers, you tool.


http://www.mathleague.com/help/fractions/fractions.htm#whatisafraction

What is a Fraction?

A fraction is a number that expresses part of a group.

Fractions are written in the form or a/b, where a and b are whole numbers, and the number b is not 0. For the purposes of these web pages, we will denote fractions using the notation a/b, though the preferred notation is generally .

The number a is called the numerator, and the number b is called the denominator.


Examples:

The following numbers are all fractions
1/2, 3/7, 6/10, 4/99

 

[Based Chad]

when we say 1/3 'of' something it implies the multiplication of the fractionally expressed number with the other number.

1/3 is a number on it's own, however.

 

[Dixie - In Memoriam]

Show me one place in all of my posts since I joined this site where I refer to myself as a constitutional conservative. That is not how I refer to my political philosophy. So, not only are you an egocentric moron, you are a liar as well. Typical of your type. No wonder the conservative movement has such a bad name.

Well it's a good thing you don't call yourself one, because you seem to be totally clueless about our founding principles and the constitution.

Well, fractions ARE introduced in 3rd grade, so you are somewhat in the ball park. Of course you leave out that anyone who does not understand that all fractions, including those which cannot be expressed as a terminating decimal, are real numbers has the mental capacity not quite up to the standards of a preschooler. What about 1/6? 1/7? 1/9? LOL Parade your ignorance in pride, vacuum skull. It's worth a laugh anyway.

Once again, a fraction is not a number, it is a division problem, a representation of value expressed as a fraction. Any moron can see, a fraction is actually TWO numbers, separated by a division symbol. Is 1+1 a number or an addition problem? I can't believe something so painfully obvious has generated so much conversation amongst pinheads. It's really astonishing!

Actually I was using a level of explanation aimed at middle school.

You should have probably stuck to explanations aimed at retarded school, since that's what you are comfortable with. Most middle school students understand fractions are not numbers, but representation of value. They also understand that our rights are endowed and inalienable, not granted to us by a piece of paper which enumerates them, or a court. Of course, with Marxist Socialists brainwashing our kids in public schools these days, they probably don't understand this any more than you do, which explains a lot.

 

[Liberty]

Maybe someday you're learn what racism is and what it isn't.

Maybe.

But maybe not.

 

[Based Chad]

Maybe.

But maybe not.

OH, hello globalist libertarian fascist, traitor to the american people. How have you been?

 

[Liberty]

OH, hello globalist libertarian fascist, traitor to the american people. How have you been?

I've been doing the holiday thing.

I haven't been able to access the comp as much lately.

Oh, you forgot capitalist pig in your discription. Minus the fascist part.

 

[Based Chad]

I've been doing the holiday thing.

I haven't been able to access the comp as much lately.

Oh, you forgot capitalist pig in your discription. Minus the fascist part.

No. You're fascist. when you believe the function of government is to implement the wish list of corporations, to the detriment of all other parties, that's fascism.

 

[Liberty]

No. You're fascist. when you believe the function of government is to implement the wish list of corporations, to the detriment of all other parties, that's fascism.

You're confusing unions with people like me.

Unions have done more to implement the wish list of corporations, to the detriment of all other parties.

 

[Good Luck]

You should have probably stuck to explanations aimed at retarded school, since that's what you are comfortable with. Most middle school students understand fractions are not numbers, but representation of value. They also understand that our rights are endowed and inalienable, not granted to us by a piece of paper which enumerates them, or a court. Of course, with Marxist Socialists brainwashing our kids in public schools these days, they probably don't understand this any more than you do, which explains a lot.

So, it turns out that not only are you a submoronic imbecile, but a full out liar and hypocrite as well.

from post 257:

Not once did I say the Constitution is what GIVES us our rights... What I DID say is the Constitution was specifically designed for one purpose: to PROTECT our rights.

Yet, above, you maintain that my position is the Constitution is what grants our rights, when I have specifically and carefully explained that is not the case. Why are you directly misrepresenting the position of another? Are lies the only way you can "win"? Fucking dweeb.

Either your reading comprehension is even lower than your mathematical ability, or you are, truly, a piece of shit lying hypocrite. Which is it? Not that it matters, since either way, you are an ignorant whiny twit whose mindless diatribes are not worth any more response.

 

[Based Chad]

Unions have done more to implement the wish list of corporations, to the detriment of all other parties.

You must reside in upside-down land...

 

[Liberty]

You must reside in upside-down land...

You don't think unions are responsible for globalization?

 

[Based Chad]

You don't think unions are responsible for globalization?

Right. I don't think unions are responsible for globalization.