Should Musk/trump raise the retirement age?

Walt said:
In 1983, it was decided to raise the retirement age by 2 months for every year born, until it reached 67 for people born in 1960. So people born in 1960 will reach full retirement age in 2027. This seemed like a reasonable deal, given that life expectancies were rising by an average of 3.5 months per year back in 1983.

Life expectancies are rising by a current average of 12 days per year, and look set to start decreasing. So talking about raising retirement age now would mean a double whammy of losing time in retirement.

And there would be no time to plan around it. The 1983 plan gave people 25 years to plan around a 2 month increase in retirement age.

If Musk/trump continues the increases for people born after 1960, they will have only 2 or 3 years to plan around an increase in retirement age.
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As I have been told that white guys over 55 have almost zero chance of gaining a job.

Even the current retirement age of 67 does not work, for multiple reasons.
 
Hawkeye10 said:
As I have been told that white guys over 55 have almost zero chance of gaining a job.

Even the current retirement age of 67 does not work, for multiple reasons.
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H10 is desperate to blame society for his inability to work.

In the real world, being white makes it easier to find a job, and plenty of people over 55 have jobs. If nothing else, Amazon is hiring.
 
Diogenes said:
Not here.
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Yes, not here, but in other countries healthcare is considered a right. So when Zymurgy says, "no country spends like we do. none This IS gonna stop." he is technically right, but his implied meaning is wrong. America is one of the stingiest countries in the developed world. The other countries of the developed world have universal healthcare, and consider healthcare a right.
 
Diogenes said:
I know. I doubt we can afford it, anyway.
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Oddly enough, the US and Canadian governments spend about the same amount on healthcare per capita. For that, the Canadians get healthcare for everyone, and the Americans get some healthcare for about 20% of the people. Then again Canada is the most different country from America with nothing similar about it. :idonteven:

In the real world, getting healthcare for all is cheaper than what we are doing.
 
Diogenes said:
I didn't say I don't know it, Nerdsperg. I asked a question. Looks like the percentage is the same up to a threshold. Are you referring to the earnings threshold?

Now, can you address the rest of your post?
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You cannot understand anything so simple? Wow, I have to dummy things even more when I talk to you. You are shooting mental blanks.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Great, aren't you lucky...
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Not at all. I made my own luck.

Now how about folks who also worked hard but did not happen to have that level of good fortune?
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I grew up lower middle class, public schools all the way through and *gasp* actually paid off my student loans on time by living like a roach the first 5 years out of school.
I earned my good fortune.

Lemme guess: I got mine, screw you, right?
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Screw anybody that complains when they had the same disadvantages I had.
 
anonymoose said:
Not at all. I made my own luck.


I grew up lower middle class, public schools all the way through and *gasp* actually paid off my student loans on time by living like a roach the first 5 years out of school.
I earned my good fortune.


Screw anybody that complains when they had the same disadvantages I had.
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I never implied that you did not make your own luck, not ever.
I also used the words "good fortune" and maybe that's the more accurate thing to say.
My point was, glad it all worked out for you.

And it's okay if you frankly don't give two shits if it didn't always work out as well for others who tried or are trying to do as you do.

But don't make it national policy.
Want to know why?
 
cawacko said:
It's likely headed that way. A combination of increase the retirement age, increase taxes and means testing. There's no way to deal with this without everyone feeling some type of pain so to speak.

Edit: You reference Trump. Why him specifically? Should well to do people who paid into S.S. all their lives not receive any of it? (not attacking you, just asking)
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not really.

rich people can give it up.

the banker bailouts that save their portfolios is what they get in return.
 
anonymoose said:
Not at all. I made my own luck.


I grew up lower middle class, public schools all the way through and *gasp* actually paid off my student loans on time by living like a roach the first 5 years out of school.
I earned my good fortune.


Screw anybody that complains when they had the same disadvantages I had.
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what was that 1940. when you could have five kids while working at a grocery store?
 
anonymoose said:
I have total sympathy for those who fail and keep trying.
It’s those that fail and give up that I have no respect for.
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All I'm saying is, shit happens.
If you make IGOTMINESCREWYOU national policy, it's guaranteed to blow up badly.
From all sides.
We must return to being Americans together at least on some fronts, and not just martial ones.
We're not even together on that one anymore.
This isn't The X-Games or Survivor.
For some, it went GAME OVER and through no fault of their own or due to them falling short or not measuring up or not packing the gear.
 
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