Should police raid home if parents refuse to take unvaccinated boy with high fever

[Eagle_Eye]

According to the link, all this happened on the same day, Feb. 25. The mother refuted the 105 temp. claim and said the child was doing fine.

Does that make any difference? Sometimes in medical situations time is essential. This from the link.

"The child’s doctor became concerned that he could have meningitis, after learning that he was lethargic and had not been vaccinated. Ms Beck was told to take him to an emergency room.
“I called the doctor back and said, ‘Hey, I’m not sure how you got this 105 reading, my son’s acting fine,’” Ms Beck told a local TV station. “‘This doesn’t really seem like a medical emergency.’”
The child’s doctor, after learning Ms Beck had ignored the recommendation to take the child to the hospital and having follow-up phone calls to the family go unanswered, then contacted the Arizona Department of Child Safety. Unless the mother has a medical degree I will go with the doctor on this one.


Why all the secrecy something just doesn't feel right these people are hiding something. And again I ask what mother wouldn't take all possible steps to ensure her child is safe?

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

There was never any evidence of "child abuse or neglect." Just a contested fever of 105, wasn't it? It would be noticeable and any sensible parent would have a child with that temp. at a hospital.
It stated "respiratory illness," which again, could be just the common cold.

They took the kid to an urgent care center, where the physician advised them to go to the ER because he/she thought it could be meningitis. Urgent care centers don't have the means to test for that. These parents were not "sensible," and did not follow that advice. Maybe the UC physician acted rashly in reporting the case to the authorities. As the article states, they tried several times to make contact with the parents and ascertain if the child was okay, without success.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Sounds like the authorities did everything by the book. A doctor feared the child might have meningitis, the cops got a court order and that is that. At what point does parental rights top public safety?

Thank you. Health care providers, teachers, day care workers, etc. have a mandate to report. The physician did what he/she felt was right in this case.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Thank you. Health care providers, teachers, day care workers, etc. have a mandate to report. The physician did what he/she felt was right in this case.

My main problem is this mother claimed to have called the doctor and asked him where he got the 105 fever reading from. Wasn't she in the room with her child while he was being examined? There are just to many odd things going on.


But yes I agree medical professionals have a duty to their patients and the public at large.

 

[Flash]

Parents should vax their kids.

Interesting article in the Atlantic talking about the partisan divide says parents are less likely to vaccinate their kids when the other political party is in power.

 

[jimmymccready]

That's interesting.

That means they are afraid of political power not actual ideology.

 

[Aimée]

Wouldn't that Dr. giving out personal information be breaking the Doctor-Patient Confidentiality laws? He gave it to authorities, authorities never requested it.

"Doctor-patient confidentiality is your right. Most noteably, a right strongly protected both state and federal laws. These laws not only protect privacy, but they also provide patients with specific rights; and give them the means to file a complaint if they feel a violation of their rights occurred."

https://medrecordsinfo.com/doctor-patient-confidentiality/

Dependent upon the states' laws, most physicians or anyone who works with children are considered mandated reporters. If they think that the parents refusing reasonable treatment for their child, they can and do report that. That's not considered a violation of HIPAA.

 

[Teflon Don]

Wouldn't that Dr. giving out personal information be breaking the Doctor-Patient Confidentiality laws? He gave it to authorities, authorities never requested it.

"Doctor-patient confidentiality is your right. Most noteably, a right strongly protected both state and federal laws. These laws not only protect privacy, but they also provide patients with specific rights; and give them the means to file a complaint if they feel a violation of their rights occurred."

https://medrecordsinfo.com/doctor-patient-confidentiality/

Actually you don’t have the HIPPA rights you think.

 

[RB 60]

It seems strange the article doesn't say if the child was sick or not after the "raid." Don't get me wrong, I don't side with parents who willfully neglect their child's health, if this child was found to be as sick as the Dr. said, they are in violation. Nothing was said what came of this "raid" (how the child was doing), that is what I am questioning.

 

[RB 60]

My main problem is this mother claimed to have called the doctor and asked him where he got the 105 fever reading from. There are just to many odd things going on.


But yes I agree medical professionals have a duty to their patients and the public at large.

That's my point. The outcome was not clear. If the mother was correct saying her child was OK, the DR. had possibly overreacted and a guns drawn breaking in of a person's home should be questioned.
If the child was sick and/or had a contagious disease, the Dr. and officials acted properly.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Official position of the Democrat Party: 'OK to kill your bay bee any time before birth or an hour or so after, but once you leave the building, it becomes the property of the state.'

 

[Eagle_Eye]

That's my point. The outcome was not clear. If the mother was correct saying her child was OK, the DR. had possibly overreacted and a guns drawn breaking in of a person's home should be questioned.
If the child was sick and/or had a contagious disease, the Dr. and officials acted properly.

As I said wasn't she in the room when the doctor examined the child? If she doubted his medical opinion why didn't she raise her concerns then and seek a second opinion instead of just going home and then calling the doctor saying the child was ok. No RB if there are any questions it should be the parents answering. As to the break in why didn't the parents just open the door and show the child to the cops? There is a lot more we don't know like why are the kids in protective custody?

 

[christiefan915]

Great ... now parents will FEAR taking their children to a doctor

I thank you and some of the other righties here for proving that you only care about embryos and not born children with marginal parents.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

As I said wasn't she in the room when the doctor examined the child? If she doubted his medical opinion why didn't she raise her concerns then and seek a second opinion instead of just going home and then calling the doctor saying the child was ok. No RB if there are any questions it should be the parents answering. As to the break in why didn't the parents just open the door and show the child to the cops? There is a lot more we don't know like why are the kids in protective custody?

Including the other two children. Maybe conditions were terrible in the house. Maybe the older kids said something privately to the family services staff. We just don't know.

Obviously the child was sick enough to be taken to the urgent care in the first place. Why then would the parents refuse to follow the directions to see a higher level of care, and pretend that suddenly he was okay? Something makes no sense here.

 

[RB 60]

As I said wasn't she in the room when the doctor examined the child? If she doubted his medical opinion why didn't she raise her concerns then and seek a second opinion instead of just going home and then calling the doctor saying the child was ok. No RB if there are any questions it should be the parents answering. As to the break in why didn't the parents just open the door and show the child to the cops? There is a lot more we don't know like why are the kids in protective custody?

There is a lot about this that is unseen. But there has to be a line between personal rights and privacy and when someone can invade them. The gun law in Colorado comes to mind.

 

[RB 60]

I thank you and some of the other righties here for proving that you only care about embryos and not born children with marginal parents.

Prove these parents were "marginal." I can't, can you? You know more than we do? Spit it out...

 

[Irish]

I'd say yes, unless you are for children dying.

 

[christiefan915]

Prove these parents were "marginal." I can't, can you? You know more than we do? Spit it out...

Something's going on when all three kids are taken out of the home.

"Though neither parent was arrested, each was charged with one count of child abuse after an investigation. Two of the children, including the youngest, were taken by ambulance to the hospital, and the third was taken by the Department of Child Safety, according to the police. All three children remain in separate foster care placements, according to The Arizona Republic."

I don't know if you were aware of this case but the parents physically abused the two adopted kids and when the police were alerted, the adopted kids were removed but the two biological kids were not.

DA urges no house arrest for woman who abused adopted Ethiopian children

 

[CFM]

I thank you and some of the other righties here for proving that you only care about embryos and not born children with marginal parents.

Thank you for proving that you think it's OK for those that would be parents to kill what they produced.

 

[RB 60]

Something's going on when all three kids are taken out of the home.

"Though neither parent was arrested, each was charged with one count of child abuse after an investigation. Two of the children, including the youngest, were taken by ambulance to the hospital, and the third was taken by the Department of Child Safety, according to the police. All three children remain in separate foster care placements, according to The Arizona Republic."

I don't know if you were aware of this case but the parents physically abused the two adopted kids and when the police were alerted, the adopted kids were removed but the two biological kids were not.

DA urges no house arrest for woman who abused adopted Ethiopian children

Wasn't that a completely different case?