Should the state remove children from atheist homes?

T. A. Gardner said:
Correct, making it the religious equivalent of Theism. I religiously believe there is no god! Atheists can no more prove there is no god than Theists can prove there is a God.
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Nope. They don't believe there is no god. They just don't believe the claim. Do you believe the claim that Buddha exists? Or any other god?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Sure it is. Theism in essence says I think there is something greater than me in the universe. I don't know precisely what it is but I sense it is there. I therefore believe that there is something greater.
That is how much of science got us where we are. That's how much of society has grown.

On the other hand, Atheism starts from the premise I'm it. There's nothing more to the universe than what I observe. That is a closed-minded position. It's the argument made through the centuries that the center of the universe is the Earth. It's the flat Earth hypothesis. It's arguing that Gorebal Warming is caused by anthropogenic CO2 and there can be no other cause.

Atheism is irrational because it starts with a closed premise with no room to consider alternatives.
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Okay. A mountain is greater than me. The ocean is greater than me. That is rational.
Is someone who believes the earth is greater than me a theist?
 
AProudLefty said:
Nope. They don't believe there is no god. They just don't believe the claim. Do you believe the claim that Buddha exists? Or any other god?
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Yes, Buddhas exist. There is more than one sect of Buddism and Buddhas are not gods but rather enlightened individuals who seek to enlighten others. But, that aside, I can accept there are things greater than me in the universe that we have little or no understanding of.

What is unacceptable is the idea that there is nothing more to anything than what one can personally observe and know. To be an Atheist you have to accept that position because when you accept there can be things greater than yourself and what you can observe, you start to pass into the realm of Theism. The possibility of God becomes viable. For the true believer in Atheism, that cannot be.

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Piers Anthony has a great scene that shows this in this sci fi novel. Yes, fiction can be enlightening.

The main character having been forced to become Death / The Grim Reaper goes to reap the soul of a man who is an Atheist. The man is committing suicide and has lived a good life in the sense of having done nothing particularly evil or criminal. Death finds him dying in a bathtub bleeding out and tells the man he's come to take him to the equivalent of an afterlife.
The man denounces Death as a figment of his imagination and says as an Atheist there is no afterlife, no god, etc., and dies. His soul, which Death would have normally reaped and take to be judged for the afterlife evaporates like steam before him. At least the guy was faithful to the end...
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Yes, Buddhas exist. There is more than one sect of Buddism and Buddhas are not gods but rather enlightened individuals who seek to enlighten others. But, that aside, I can accept there are things greater than me in the universe that we have little or no understanding of.

What is unacceptable is the idea that there is nothing more to anything than what one can personally observe and know. To be an Atheist you have to accept that position because when you accept there can be things greater than yourself and what you can observe, you start to pass into the realm of Theism. The possibility of God becomes viable. For the true believer in Atheism, that cannot be.
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Who claimed that there is nothing more to anything?
 
jacksonsprat22 said:
Okay. A mountain is greater than me. The ocean is greater than me. That is rational.
Is someone who believes the earth is greater than me a theist?
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That is a strawman. Those are observable. If God was observable, it eliminates free will, choice, and belief. If God appears before you (us), and says "Believe or die" you are left with no alternatives. You don't have to make a leap of faith.
What makes a Theist is they can accept there is something unseen and not fully understood that is greater than themselves. The Atheist has to deny that possibility to make the argument There is no god.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
That is a strawman. Those are observable. If God was observable, it eliminates free will, choice, and belief. If God appears before you (us), and says "Believe or die" you are left with no alternatives. You don't have to make a leap of faith.
What makes a Theist is they can accept there is something unseen and not fully understood that is greater than themselves. The Atheist has to deny that possibility to make the argument There is no god.
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So, believing something itself causes truth. That does not seem rational.
 
jacksonsprat22 said:
So, believing something itself causes truth. That does not seem rational.
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No, believing something is possible rather than impossible is the difference.

Aside from that, I suspect that the vast majority of Atheists are really Secularists. That is their atheism is really a case of not caring about religion rather than outright denying it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, believing something is possible rather than impossible is the difference.

Aside from that, I suspect that the vast majority of Atheists are really Secularists. That is their atheism is really a case of not caring about religion rather than outright denying it.
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Theists invented atheism. As Bush said, you're either with us or against us.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, believing something is possible rather than impossible is the difference.

Aside from that, I suspect that the vast majority of Atheists are really Secularists. That is their atheism is really a case of not caring about religion rather than outright denying it.
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Wrong. god did not create man, but man created god. that is why there are so many different ones. Atheists are just one god short of religious people. There are thousands of gods a Christian does not believe in, Does that make them atheists in the eyes of other religions, since they know your god does not exist?
God is such a waste of time. You are responsible for what you do. No fictional sky fairy is going to punish you. Religions are businesses. They seek money and power.
 
Nordberg said:
Wrong. god did not create man, but man created god. that is why there are so many different ones. Atheists are just one god short of religious people. There are thousands of gods a Christian does not believe in, Does that make them atheists in the eyes of other religions, since they know your god does not exist?
God is such a waste of time. You are responsible for what you do. No fictional sky fairy is going to punish you. Religions are businesses. They seek money and power.
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I actually believe that the aliens seeded the Earth. If that makes me a wacko, then so be it. ;)
 
MarcusA said:
I'm tempted to argue that, yes, it would be in the vested interest of the state to ban atheists from procreating, as well as to confiscate the children from atheist homes, and redistribute them to homes, such as Christian homes, grounded in some measure of morality or virtue.

An atheist, by mere virtue of it's own inferiority cannot be trusted around children, let alone allowed to have children of its own; for example, to an atheist, rape, murder, child molestations are not evils or moral ills, they are just alternate 'lifestyle preferences', or perhaps even a good thing.

So why on earth would we allow those to have children who can't even morally object to raping and harming children without stealing and appropriating Christian and "religious" morality?

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So sorry atheists, ultimately your children are not yours anyway, they are first and foremost the children of God Almighty. And it is therefore the natural right and duty of a God-fearing state to remove them from you, and educate them in virtue, Christianity, and morality, as opposed to degeneracy, atheism, and vice and those ills which can lead a soul in the direction of hellfire. To allow an atheist, pagan, heathen, or other Godless ilk in the company of children is a rather heinous sin which should not be allowed unchecked.
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If the children are loved and are being treated well, there's NO reason to remove them from a home because the parents are atheists. ABSOLUTELY no reason, and illegal, as well.
 
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