Small size of most U.S. police departments complicates reform

Dutch Uncle said:
How many people are killed every year by the police? What is the breakdown by gender, race, economics, state, etc?

I've looked for a link to the data and there is no Federal or collective group of states and their PDs compiling the data.

How can we correct problems if we don't know the extent of the problem?
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a person shot and killed by a policeman isn't necessarily a problem.......in fact, in the majority of situations it is the solution........
 
blackascoal said:
400 years of waiting on ‘good leadership’ is a bad joke, not a solution.

How about replicating best practices of successful departments? What a novel idea.
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Waiting is for the weak. The problem is too many people just want to force others to their bidding. That's what the Insurrection was about and that's what this thread is about.

Best practices is a good idea, but as this thread points out, no one know what other departments are doing unless it's something bad. There is scant data on the subject.
 
Oom is back.

He thinks that he's special for having been on my ignore list with thirty-one other JPP posters.
When I released it all at once, jokingly posting a new thread to announce the fact as if it were breaking news, he just happened to be released as well.

Inevitably, I'll start a new ignore list at some time or other.
Oom won't necessarily make it this time, however.

Unlike full-time trumpanzees,
Oom sometimes, not often, rises all the way up to medium hanging fruit level
as a target to cuff around.
 
BidenPresident said:
Experts say that while smaller departments have their benefits, including being able to adapt to their communities and hire officers with local ties, these agencies also are typically able to avoid the accountability being sought as part of the national movement to restructure and improve policing. These departments’ often limited resources and the decentralized structure of American law enforcement complicate efforts to mandate widespread training and policy changes, experts say.

“It’s unlike any other country,” Wexler said. “In places like the United Kingdom, you have a Home Office, you have standards. In Germany or Israel … they have a national police. Our policing is completely fragmented, decentralized, with no national standards.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...y-changing-policing-is-difficult-experts-say/
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It is simple logistics.

Say you have 50 police officers covering a community of 18,000 residents.

You have three shifts a day, 24/7. Everybody needs two days off.

One or two people will be out sick. One or two people will have to work the administrative duties in the station house on each tour. Somebody will have to supervise each tour.

It's not so easy.

Now imagine pulling bodies out of that precariously balanced rotation so they can go attend training about how men can give birth.
 
Taft2016 said:
It is simple logistics.

Say you have 50 police officers covering a community of 18,000 residents.

You have three shifts a day, 24/7. Everybody needs two days off.

One or two people will be out sick. One or two people will have to work the administrative duties in the station house on each tour. Somebody will have to supervise each tour.

It's not so easy.

Now imagine pulling bodies out of that precariously balanced rotation so they can go attend training about how men can give birth.
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Who advocates teaching police how to be a midwife?!
 
PostmodernProphet said:
are you joking?.......you don't think we would have heard if a cop had killed a black man in Grundy Center, Iowa?........by the way, they did kill white guy there.......nobody posted about it here except me......
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Times Square got shot up yesterday....

Start spreadin' the news!
 
Police reform may well be of the many necessary changes that America may have to make in order to sustain itself as a democratic republic.

Where it stands on the priority list is not anywhere the same for different segments of the overall reform movement.

I think we need to look at policing, but on my side of the room, socialized medicine and the abolition of right to work laws come up higher on the list.

Other progressive liberals have priorities of their own.

If I were an urban black person instead of an urban white person, police reform might be higher on the list.
If I were afraid of guns, gun control would be higher on my list.
Women's physical reproductive autonomy IS high on my list even though I've had a Mr. Johnson for many, many decades.
[I just hate irresponsible procreation.]
Voter suppression is one we should be all prioritizing together.

We different factions on the left are allies, not enemies, and we don't at all seek to impede one another's priorities.
We each have our own, however.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Police reform may well be of the many necessary changes that America may have to make in order to sustain itself as a democratic republic.

Where it stands on the priority list is not anywhere the same for different segments of the overall reform movement.

I think we need to look at policing, but on my side of the room, socialized medicine and the abolition of right to work laws come up higher on the list.

Other progressive liberals have priorities of their own.

If I were an urban black person instead of an urban white person, police reform might be higher on the list.
If I were afraid of guns, gun control would be higher on my list.
Women's physical reproductive autonomy IS high on my list even though I've had a Mr. Johnson for many, many decades.
[I just hate irresponsible procreation.]
Voter suppression is one we should be all prioritizing together.

We different factions on the left are allies, not enemies, and we don't at all seek to impede one another's priorities.
We each have our own, however.
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Years ago I was harassed by LA cops about jaywalking. And I am a white male.
 
BidenPresident said:
Use of force standards. Eliminating immunity.
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that's just the tip of the iceberg. One major problem is the lack of standards, or rather the acceptance of double standards, of our own population and it's viewpoint on racism/reverse racism. The other major problem that ignoramus' like Nomad are either ambivalent about or only care about when it works against them is the lack of independence in the judiciary.
 
Taft2016 said:
Times Square got shot up yesterday....
i
Start spreadin' the news!
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It's gonna get worse. NYCops retirement rate last year was 75% higher then the year before.
DeBlaiso stripped ( defunded) about $1B from the budget so the new class of s̶a̶c̶r̶i̶f̶i̶c̶i̶a̶l̶ ̶l̶a̶m̶b̶s̶ cops is way down as well
dont New York my Florida
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^ all I care about
 
Dutch Uncle said:
What is your solution? A federal police force like Mexican Federales?

“You want to change American policing, figure out how to get to … the departments of 50 officers or less,” said Chuck Wexler, executive director of the Police Executive Research Forum, a Washington-based group that works with police departments. “How do you reach them? How do you get to them? … That’s what the American people keep wondering.
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We have a national police force called the FBI. The left doesn't want more efficient police they want more people on the government payroll. We all see how inefficient big government is now. Nationalizing the nations police would be a giant step forward in completely destroying law enforcement.
 
BidenPresident said:
Years ago I was harassed by LA cops about jaywalking. And I am a white male.
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We, as teenagers, were attending a dance at an amusement park's big ballroom on a beautiful lake.
Rumors had been spreading about an impending brawl breaking out.
I was dressed in my favorite Fabiano continental cut suit.
My hair, which I actually had in quantity at the time, had just been styled,
and I was wearing expensive cologne for a kid my age. It had been a Christmas gift.

A cop grabbed me--I was an accomplished young amateur boxer who could possibly, although certainly not for sure, have kicked his ass, but I didn't screw around with cops--
put me up against the wall a little bit too hard, and frisked me.

"What the fuck are you doing, Dick? You know me."
[This was my day off, but on other evenings, I worked at a pizza stand on the amusement park grounds.]

"Shut the fuck up and play along with me, Nifty," he said, looking as though he were hissing.
"We've got to show that we're ready to put down any trouble."

"Yah, sure, Dick, but watch the fucking suit for Christ's sake."

That was many decades ago, but I remember it to this day.

Dick was actually a pretty decent guy for a big red-faced fucking mick,
and he actually knew how to do his job.
 
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