SOME GUN RELATED QUESTIONS FOR LIBERALS:

[American Man]

There are already over 20,000 gun laws on the books. In case you didn't know, shooting innocent people and kids is already against the law.

No. We need to ban the distribution of these types of firearms, and if someone sells a banned firearm and the firearm is used to murder someone, the seller ought to also be charged with murder. It's really that simple.

 

[American Man]

Nope. Everything I shoot at is considered a target, nothing more, or nothing less. That includes paper or everything I hunt.
The only people who will hesitate are those who see a living creature in their sights.

Ok, Steven Seagal. You'd shit your panties at the first sign of danger and we both know it.

 

[American Man]

Unless you're worried more about your own life instead of saving others.

Leftists will say that's a valid argument, I won't.

You ever try shooting a target in the middle of an adrenaline rush while fearing for your life?

 

[Matt Dillon]

Nope. Everything I shoot at is considered a target, nothing more, or nothing less. That includes paper or everything I hunt.
The only people who will hesitate are those who see a living creature in their sights.

I never hesitated ary a lick when I saw a rabbit in my sights. 75% of the time I could nail one on a dead run right in the head. 20% was body shots and it still died and was meat.

The meat wasn't as good, though with that 20%.

 

[RB 60]

Unless you're worried more about your own life instead of saving others.

Leftists will say that's a valid argument, I won't.

If that's the case, you're unarmed or a coward.

Leftists are stupid when it comes to guns, as is shown here.

 

[Matt Dillon]

You ever try shooting a target in the middle of an adrenaline rush while fearing for your life?

Nope, but I guarantee I could. My reactions are in the top .5% of human beings.

Also I've had lots of target practice and been hunting since I was 11.

Furthermore I'm not afraid to die because I believe in God. What..I'm going to go home to meet all my loved ones? Oh! The horror!

How's your leftist bs standing up against my motivation and skills, punk?

 

[RB 60]

Ok, Steven Seagal. You'd shit your panties at the first sign of danger and we both know it.

I am no martial artist and my name isn't Steven. You might (will) shit your panties, I will take a safe position and a steady aim if I'm armed.

 

[Matt Dillon]

No. We need to ban the distribution of these types of firearms, and if someone sells a banned firearm and the firearm is used to murder someone, the seller ought to also be charged with murder. It's really that simple.

You roll with with that and see how far you get, commie gun grabber faggot.

You just might end up wanting a gun to defend yourself. But you won't get one.

 

[American Man]

In no way did I do that, fucktard.

Have you ever shot at another human being? I haven't, and have no desire to. Ofc you probably might could convince me with your bullshit.

Yeah. I've had the horrific experience of shooting at other human beings, but only from a distance. I talked about my time serving this shit country and all I get is idiots mocking me. Fighting Daddy Bush's war, barely out of high school. I've seen sandnggrs fling babies into crowds that had IEDs strapped to their tiny bodies. I've seen US officers pay for sex with underage prostitutes. I've seen US soldiers shoot wild dogs and cats just for the fun of it. I was passed through a truncated basic barely knowing how to shoot. PA National Guard still owes me back pay. I will never forgive this fucked up country that you think is so great. Fuck anyone who thinks this SHITHOLE is worth salvaging. And I really, really hate these right-wing assholes who have perpetual hardons for guns and Jesus.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Yeah. I've had the horrific experience of shooting at other human beings, but only from a distance. I talked about my time serving this shit country and all I get is idiots mocking me. Fighting Daddy Bush's war, barely out of high school. I've seen sandnggrs fling babies into crowds that had IEDs strapped to their tiny bodies. I've seen US officers pay for sex with underage prostitutes. I've seen US soldiers shoot wild dogs and cats just for the fun of it. I was passed through a truncated basic barely knowing how to shoot. PA National Guard still owes me back pay. I will never forgive this fucked up country that you think is so great. Fuck anyone who thinks this SHITHOLE is worth salvaging. And I really, really hate these right-wing assholes who have perpetual hardons for guns and Jesus.

Sucks to be you. Now ain't no way you can tell me you were drafted in the Bush days. I will not condone what they did, ever.

Or what you allege you're one of the ones they sent to do.

However, I'm from the days before all that kinds of bullshit in America, (as should be obvious) and I'm not playing around with The American Way, motherfucker.

Also I highly doubt you can shoot better than me, or kill any of the many other ways I know how to.

I've probably temporarily forgotten 200% more ways to fuck people up than you ever knew.

If I was to get into it, it all comes rushing back. The Puerto-Ricans with teh judo, the Thai boxing, and that's before the military stuff I learned.

 

[RB 60]

So if the majority of Americans wish to repeal the Second Amendment, and if Congress, acting according to the wishes of the people, attempts to repeal it, you're saying that you'll attempt another insurrection on the Capitol?

Nope. Just protect myself and what's mine....to the death.
You will never get enough states to go along with a repeal of the 2nd. Amendment.

 

[RB 60]

No. We need to ban the distribution of these types of firearms, and if someone sells a banned firearm and the firearm is used to murder someone, the seller ought to also be charged with murder. It's really that simple.

What do you consider "these types" of firearms? What would you (try to) ban?

So you're saying the criminal is no longer responsible for his own actions?

 

[RB 60]

Yeah. I've had the horrific experience of shooting at other human beings, but only from a distance. I talked about my time serving this shit country and all I get is idiots mocking me. Fighting Daddy Bush's war, barely out of high school. I've seen sandnggrs fling babies into crowds that had IEDs strapped to their tiny bodies. I've seen US officers pay for sex with underage prostitutes. I've seen US soldiers shoot wild dogs and cats just for the fun of it. I was passed through a truncated basic barely knowing how to shoot. PA National Guard still owes me back pay. I will never forgive this fucked up country that you think is so great. Fuck anyone who thinks this SHITHOLE is worth salvaging. And I really, really hate these right-wing assholes who have perpetual hardons for guns and Jesus.

You are not an American man, you are a coward.

 

[Supposn]

Originally Posted by Supposn :
GFM7175, you're asking 5 quetions that seem facets of the same topic. If you choose one of your questions, I'll try to respond to it. Respectfully, Supposn
GFM7175, you posted rhetorical questions with comments you cannot without embarrassment uphold? You fear exposing your lack of logic? You're unable to further discuss any single item of your initial post? That's your choice.
GFM7175, you're unable to choose and further discuss any single item of your initial post? That's your choice and yes, we all get it.

PostModernProphet, more than a half of a week has past since Friday afternoon when I first responded to GFM7175's initial 5 question post:
GFM7175 has yet to choose a single one AMONG his post's 5 items, that he can discuss with confidence. I'm not willing to let him jump back and forth among his 5 items, but I'm willing to respond to them all if he'll choose among them one at a time.
Respectfully, Supposn

An entire week has past since Friday afternoon when I first responded to GFM7175's initial 5 question post; GFM7175 remains bashful. I'll respond to them all if GM7175 will choose among them one at a time. Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Into the Night]

Are you here to troll or are you going to answer the thread questions?

I think the answer to that is obvious. He's here to troll.

 

[Into the Night]

Nope I an not here to troll. I want to answer your questions. That's why I asked. You failed to provide specifics.

Trolling. Answer the questions posed in the OP.

 

[Supposn]

I think the answer to that is obvious. He's here to troll.

Into the Night, eight days have past since I first dropped the gauntlet. GM7175 hasn't dared to meet my challenge.
If GM7175 overcomes fear of exposing his post to further ridicule and chooses one of that initial post's 5 items, I'll respond with an answer. But I'm not going to do the cherry-picking. I'm willing to answer each of those items, but GM7175 must choose among them one item at a time.

I'm not willing to let GM7175 hop and jump back and forth among the post's 5 items. Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Into the Night]

Jarod,
Thank for at least answering the questions posed by the OP. That's a hell of a lot better than the usual evasions.

1a) Murder laws likely prevent some of these murders from happening and they almost always prevent recidivism. I do not think gun restrictions will prevent 100% of these murders from occurring, but they will prevent some, and saving some children's lives is worth it. We should at least try and see if it helps, rather than do nothing. (I would ask, do you think abortion laws would prevent all abortion?)

Abortion is not mentioned in the OP. That's a pivot fallacy. I will call this argument 1. You think restricting the gun (essentially blaming the gun) is the solution.

1b) No

Gun laws are very restrictive in some places. Schools are Gun Free Zones. Despite this, your solution is to effectively create and expand Gun Free Zones, even though it's been shown to not work. That IS the definition of insanity.

2) I am for certain people being allowed to have certain types of weapons.

This is, however, unconstitutional.

2b) I am not seeking to punish anyone with gun laws, I am looking to protect our children.

But you ARE blaming everyone that has a gun that did NOT shoot up any school or harm any child. Indeed, many gun owners have children of their own and many are fine kids. Most of my neighbors fall into this category. Not one of them ever shot up a school, yet you want to take their gun away because they happen to own an AR-15 style rifle.

Speeding laws are not intended to punish anyone, they are intended to prevent death on the highway.

Speeding laws ARE intended to punish. That is their purpose. They do not prevent death on the highway. Indeed, I was delayed an hour just today because of a multi-car accident on the freeway when traffic was moving at 40mph, well below the posted speed limit. That accident resulted in a death and several serious injuries. It was caused by a sudden attempted lane change and a collision with a barrier, throwing the vehicle back into traffic. An unfortunate result from a dumb mistake.

3) I do not support any celebrities, but I support people protecting themselves with guns, as long as they are mentally competent, not murderous, and well trained.

Do you? You want to take away guns.

I do not oppose certain safety measures at schools, I think it one of the solutions, but I feel turning schools into armed camps is not conducive to producing healthy children or education itself.

Schools do not have to be armed camps. Allowing staff to carry does not convert the school to an armed camp.

Its very difficult to get into my children's school, as a parent it makes it more difficult to be a part of their education and know the teachers.

That's what they want. They don't want your involvement in school. If parents knew what the schools were teaching, they'd raise holy hell.

There is a balance, but often having a good guy with a gun does not prevent the tragedy.

Actually, it does. There are many examples of this. Most times, the good guy doesn't even have to draw his weapon. A bad guy sees the weapon holstered and goes elsewhere.
These shootings are taking place in so-called Gun Free Zones. The shooter has little fear of a good guy with a gun, since it's a Gun Free Zone. You don't see these shootings at gun clubs and shooting ranges. That's for a reason.

This murderer crashed the gate with a truck.

Okay. Now a truck is a lethal weapon. Should you away all trucks?

The police ran.

Cowards as they are. What an embarrassment of a police force.

4) I do not blame the gun,

I will call this argument 2. This directly conflicts with argument 1. You are now locked in paradox. You blame the gun, and now you do not blame the gun. Which is it, dude?

just like I do not blame the automobile, but I do support speed limits and safety measures, and limits on who is allowed to drive.

You are trying to ban any automobile...or are you?

4a) I do not blame the gun.

Irrational. You cannot argue both sides of a paradox.

4b) I do think we should investigate these similarities. I want a multi prog approach to addressing these problems, but it takes funding and we just cut taxes to the bone.

An odd thing to say. Biden has been raising taxes.

4c) I am not against special preventative safety measures, but locked doors work both ways, and consider a gunman can lock himself in with a room of kids.

To that I have to ask, why are kids in a classroom by themselves??

5) The law, there are laws against having a nuclear weapon in your back yard for example. The Constitution gives the government this right.

The Constitution does NOT give any right to ban personal ownership of any weapon, including thermonuclear weapons. There is NO specification of any type of weapon in the 2nd amendment or elsewhere in the Constitution. You have the right of self defense. It is inherent. The government cannot infringe on that right for ANY WEAPON (legally anyway).

Is a thermonuclear bomb a practical self defense weapon? Not really. They are expensive and difficult to store. They have a tendency to destroy more than you want. However, the government has NO AUTHORITY to prevent you from owning one.

You can own a tank, fighter jet, various missile weapons (anything from a sling to bow and arrow to guns to rockets), explosives, any type of gun, and yes...you can own a thermonuclear device.
You are of course responsible for the weapon and it's use.

Let's look at the 2nd amendment one more time:

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

This amendment applies to both the States and to the federal government. It restricts them both.
It discusses TWO similar rights, both related to the inherent right of self defense.
* The right of a State to defend itself. It does this by forming a militia (an army) and organizes it (makes it regular, or regulated). Every State has this right. The federal government has this right as well. It's militia is called the National Guard. The militia in my State (Washington) currently has 75 members, all administrative staff, and no fighting men at this time. It is poised to activate fighting units on short notice, should the need arise.
* The right of an individual to defend himself. He does this by owning (keeping) and bearing (using) Arms (weapons...any type of weapon).

Neither right shall be infringed.

It really is very plainly written. NOTHING in the Constitution of the United States gives the federal government any authority to ban or limit any type of weapon. If it was not given that specific authority by the Constitution, the federal government does NOT HAVE THAT AUTHORITY.

Radical statement? Read the Federalist Papers, written by the men that founded the United States. Yes. It's radical. No one in the world has ever dared such an experiment, creating a nation where the authority for government is defined in a constitution, created by the people and only modifiable by the people (through their States). This form of government is called a republic. It is government by constitution (by law). That constitution defines and declares the government it creates and gives it certain limited powers. That government has no other powers. Representatives in that government are elected by the procedures laid out in that same constitution.

You really should read it some time. Then you will see why your answers to Gfm's questions really don't make a lot of sense. You will see why you managed to lock yourself in a paradox too.

 

[Into the Night]

When the assault weapons bad was in effect in American was in effect was zero. They've been totally eliminated in Aus, NA and now CAN.

We're better than them. We're getting the guns, Princess.

There is no such thing as an 'assault weapon'. Buzzword fallacy. No, you are not getting the guns. You will find yourself on the wrong of one very quickly.

 

[Into the Night]

Well, since YOU'VE never killed anyone with your stupid guns I guess that's all the proof we need, Bitch.

It is...right along with the millions of other that never killed anyone with guns, including many that own AR-15's.

Fuck of with that redneck nonsense, loser.

Bigotry. You are obviously an idiot city dweller. You have not even considered the thousands of people around you packing a gun right now, and none of them are shooting you or shooting up a school.