Still Don't Think the Pandemic is Trump's Fault?

Concart said:
No. I simply pointed out the stupidity of posting an article and claiming it addressed a travel ban that did not yet exist. It isn't the mistake that makes you look like an idiot. It's your unwillingness to admit it. Well, I should say 'more of an idiot', because the original point was pretty stupid.
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Really, can you point to the specific wording in the proposed bill that specifically excluded China from the no ban bill? I'll wait.
 
countryboy said:
So, are you saying this bill would not have limited the President's ability to ban travel from China? Yes or no. From the article: Pelosi revealed in a press release Monday that Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee will introduce and vote on the s0-called NO Ban Act, which would limit the White House’s authority to impose travel restrictions on foreign nationals, in the next few weeks.
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No, it would not have. And again, given that not one of the articles mentioned the china ban, and given that two of the articles were written BEFORE THE BAN HAD BEEN ANNOUNCED, they are evidence of absolutely nothing related to the travel ban. Here is how the bill would restrict future travel bans (like the one on China):

"The legislation would require that any future travel ban be temporary, subject to congressional oversight and be based in response to specific actions from foreign agents that pose a threat to the U.S."

That would in NO WAY have prevented Trump from imposing a temporary ban due to a threat to the US. This is just all of you cult members inventing something that never happened and losing your mind over it.
 
countryboy said:
Really, can you point to the specific wording in the proposed bill that specifically excluded China from the no ban bill? I'll wait.
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"The legislation would require that any future travel ban be temporary, subject to congressional oversight and be based in response to specific actions from foreign agents that pose a threat to the U.S."

Next question?
 
Concart said:
"The legislation would require that any future travel ban be temporary, subject to congressional oversight and be based in response to specific actions from foreign agents that pose a threat to the U.S."

Next question?
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Still pounding your tiny little fists on the desk with your pointless rant. Sad. #moron
 
Concart said:
Oh, are you still here? You may go now.
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You can't stop pounding your tiny little fists on the table can you assclown. Is there a point to your ineffectual ranting? #dumbass

You can tell me; what's your problem? Mom won't let you out of the basement? What?
 
cawacko said:
Thanks for the morning laugh Jerome (and as if there aren't already hundreds of threads on this topic). We have a global pandemic that started outside the U.S. yet it's the President's fault? That's some amazing power.

Now to be clear, you will get no argument from me against the position that Trump reacted too slowly because he did. However that is VERY different than claiming he caused the pandemic and is responsible for how other countries handled it. Not sure how much power you think the President of the U.S. has over other countries actions in this type of scenario.
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His first warnings were in December and he got many more afterward. He ignored them. That makes it Trump's problem. he would have won the presidency by acting in an intelligent and presidential way. He claims one of his super genius moves was to stop plane flights from China. Over 40,000 people flew into 17 American cities. Exactly how is that a success? Trump flew the virus in. Thanks for that brilliant move.
 
Concart said:
No, it would not have. And again, given that not one of the articles mentioned the china ban, and given that two of the articles were written BEFORE THE BAN HAD BEEN ANNOUNCED, they are evidence of absolutely nothing related to the travel ban. Here is how the bill would restrict future travel bans (like the one on China):

"The legislation would require that any future travel ban be temporary, subject to congressional oversight and be based in response to specific actions from foreign agents that pose a threat to the U.S."

That would in NO WAY have prevented Trump from imposing a temporary ban due to a threat to the US. This is just all of you cult members inventing something that never happened and losing your mind over it.
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Okay, let me see if I understand what you are trying to say. You're saying Democrats were not opposed to the Chinese travel ban, but went forward with their no ban legislation without ever mentioning an exception for China. Do I have that right? And, are you fucking serious?
 
countryboy said:
Okay, let me see if I understand what you are trying to say. You're saying Democrats were not opposed to the Chinese travel ban, but went forward with their no ban legislation without ever mentioning an exception for China. Do I have that right? And, are you fucking serious?
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Yes. That's correct. Because the NO BAN act was proposed BEFORE the China travel ban. Maybe educate yourself. Thanks.
 
Concart said:
No, it would not have. And again, given that not one of the articles mentioned the china ban, and given that two of the articles were written BEFORE THE BAN HAD BEEN ANNOUNCED, they are evidence of absolutely nothing related to the travel ban. Here is how the bill would restrict future travel bans (like the one on China):

"The legislation would require that any future travel ban be temporary, subject to congressional oversight and be based in response to specific actions from foreign agents that pose a threat to the U.S."

That would in NO WAY have prevented Trump from imposing a temporary ban due to a threat to the US. This is just all of you cult members inventing something that never happened and losing your mind over it.
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you just want to protect foreigners freedom of movement, not americans. so, fuck you.
 
AssHatZombie said:
are you concerned about americans being locked down?
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Oh, you want to dialogue with me now after telling me to fuck off? Well, I'm glad we got off on the right foot. Lock down is an entirely inappropriate description of what is going on. You aren't being held in your home. You can get in your car, go to the airport, and fly pretty much anywhere you want. That is not a lock down. Frankly, at this point I'm giving up on hoping that people will act sensibly, so knock yourselves out. Go get a tattoo. Attend a trump campaign rally. I'm sure the governors of a lot of states would be happy to accommodate. It is amazing to me how whiny and weak the Trump Cult has become. Or maybe they were like that in the first place. Bottom line, of course I'm concerned. But I am more concerned about seeing millions of Americans dying. This is not a binary choice. Of course, this is just a diversion from your original claim that I wanted to restrict the movement of Americans, which is utterly false and galactically stupid. Carry on.
 
countryboy said:
So, are you saying this bill would not have limited the President's ability to ban travel from China? Yes or no. From the article: Pelosi revealed in a press release Monday that Democrats on the House Judiciary Committee will introduce and vote on the s0-called NO Ban Act, which would limit the White House’s authority to impose travel restrictions on foreign nationals, in the next few weeks.
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The China ban did nothing. NOTHING. Even WITH the ban, the first case of COVID came to the country from China.

So explain to me again how Trump's xenophobia -- but complete denial of science -- helped us here.
 
cawacko said:
LOL. Ok, thanks Jerome.
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No, listen, you drooling fuckwit:

We needed Trump, during the month of February, to enforce the Defense Production Act to produce testing kids, ventilators, masks, gowns, gloves, and ALL KINDS of other PPE to prepare for the coming storm. BECAUSE HE KNEW IT WAS COMING.

What did he do? Aside from banning travel (literally the only executive order he knows how to give).

Did he open up the federal stockpile for state and local governments? Did he make GM and Ford and Pfizer create testing kits, as is his power to do?

What did he do to prevent more deaths from COVID-19 in the past 6 weeks than the Vietnam War in 6 years?
 
Jerome said:
No, listen, you drooling fuckwit:

We needed Trump, during the month of February, to enforce the Defense Production Act to produce testing kids, ventilators, masks, gowns, gloves, and ALL KINDS of other PPE to prepare for the coming storm. BECAUSE HE KNEW IT WAS COMING.

What did he do? Aside from banning travel (literally the only executive order he knows how to give).

Did he open up the federal stockpile for state and local governments? Did he make GM and Ford and Pfizer create testing kits, as is his power to do?

What did he do to prevent more deaths from COVID-19 in the past 6 weeks than the Vietnam War in 6 years?
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LOL, how about you slow your roll homeboy and actually read what I originally wrote. You're all unhinged due to a lack of comprehension.

However shelter-in-place gets to all of us.
 
Concart said:
Oh, you want to dialogue with me now after telling me to fuck off? Well, I'm glad we got off on the right foot. Lock down is an entirely inappropriate description of what is going on. You aren't being held in your home. You can get in your car, go to the airport, and fly pretty much anywhere you want. That is not a lock down. Frankly, at this point I'm giving up on hoping that people will act sensibly, so knock yourselves out. Go get a tattoo. Attend a trump campaign rally. I'm sure the governors of a lot of states would be happy to accommodate. It is amazing to me how whiny and weak the Trump Cult has become. Or maybe they were like that in the first place. Bottom line, of course I'm concerned. But I am more concerned about seeing millions of Americans dying. This is not a binary choice. Of course, this is just a diversion from your original claim that I wanted to restrict the movement of Americans, which is utterly false and galactically stupid. Carry on.
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word games. so you're for the lockdown. I knew it. you proved me right.

so you beleive only in freedom of movement for airplane travel. you're an idiot.
 
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