Suggestion about our criminal system

Solitary confinement seems rough when you're just using a general "criminal" as an example. Violent offenses should get priority and be tiered lower initially than other criminals. As the severity of the crime increases, so does the natural stage that they begin as prisoners - though each can move to solitary given bad behavior.
 
Watermark said:
People like Warren, now, should be locked up in solitary confinement 23/7, only taken out only to have small portions of their skin flayed off, until they die from blood poisoning whenever denied medical treatement for the imminent infections.
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Sounds reasonable to me.
 
Watermark said:
I suggest that we reform our prison model. Instead of simply locking criminals up, we should put them in a controlled setting. In this controlled setting there will be a list of rules, obvious ones and mundane ones. The basic state of a criminal in this system shall be solitary confinement. If the criminal can go a specific time without breaking any of the rules, his rights in the prison system are incrementally increased, such as getting a telivision, the amount of time the prisoner can watch it etc...

If the prisoner breaks the rules, his rights are incrementally decreased until he's back at solitary confinement. Hopefully we can try and teach them to follow stupid rules, and if they can follow stupid rules, hopefully they'll follow the important ones.

This isn't a foolproof method. And we'd have to test it out first with a limited poulation. But it's better than what we're doing now. There's no 100% sure way to "cure" criminal behavior. But unless we just want to lock everyone up for life we should try reform. I think they do something like this in Denmark already.

Also, there should be a period after prison, maybe as long as the prison sentence itself or during parole, in which they will be have to go to weekly group therapy or be put back into prison. I believe group therapy has been proven effective at reducing recividism in a number of antisocial actions, as kumayaish as it may sound. If it works I'm for it.
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Yeah, they are all lab rats who just need the right piece of cheese.

They need some life skills, not some stupid behavioral modification crap.
 
I mean, RS, your ideas are all great and stuff.

But how much better is putting an untreated sociopath put back into society with a business degree than just putting them back into society?

If you don't think people without concious's need reform, and are perfectly normal individuals, then lock them up and throw away the key.
 
Watermark said:
Then give them some degrees and do this. Present some actual evidence of your idiocy rather than continuing to be an idiot.
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What evidence did you supply?

I don't care about reforming criminals. That should not be the main purpose of a criminal justice system. And any reforms to me are not all that important as making sure we don't send people there for non-criminal acts.

But pretending they all just need behavior modification is silly. Maybe we can try some electroshock if they go down the wrong leg in the maze. And then we can do the same with all citizens. Mold them all to benefit the great society.
 
RStringfield said:
What evidence did you supply?

I don't care about reforming criminals. That should not be the main purpose of a criminal justice system. And any reforms to me are not all that important as making sure we don't send people there for non-criminal acts.

But pretending they all just need behavior modification is silly. Maybe we can try some electroshock if they go down the wrong leg in the maze. And then we can do the same with all citizens. Mold them all to benefit the great society.
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This.
 
RStringfield said:
What evidence did you supply?

I don't care about reforming criminals. That should not be the main purpose of a criminal justice system. And any reforms to me are not all that important as making sure we don't send people there for non-criminal acts.

But pretending they all just need behavior modification is silly. Maybe we can try some electroshock if they go down the wrong leg in the maze. And then we can do the same with all citizens. Mold them all to benefit the great society.
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Proof of how much of a brainwashed loon you have become. You are an unreasonable little fuckwad. Go blow paul now.
 
You don't believe in reform or psychology in itself because you believe law should be something bought and sold by corporations that make slaves of our citizens, RS. Your opinion on anything, granted that, is irrelevant.
 
Watermark said:
You don't believe in reform or psychology in itself because you believe law should be something bought and sold by corporations that make slaves of our citizens, RS. Your opinion on anything, granted that, is irrelevant.
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WTF RU talking about? You are over here worried about sending them to their rooms until they adhere to trivial authority and I pointed out that the first concern should be to STOP imprisoning people who have committed no crimes.
 
RStringfield said:
WTF RU talking about? You are over here worried about sending them to their rooms until they adhere to trivial authority and I pointed out that the first concern should be to STOP imprisoning people who have committed no crimes.
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I wasn't aware that we imprisoned people who had commited "no crimes".
 
No? Drug war. But you've probably adopted the socialist concept of crime by now, seeing as you believe the point of the criminal justice system is to serve the state rather than justice.
 
RStringfield said:
No? Drug war. But you've probably adopted the socialist concept of crime by now, seeing as you believe the point of the criminal justice system is to serve the state rather than justice.
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I'm an atheist, RS. There is no "natural" way of justice. However, I believe that criminals who take meth and crack and cocaine should be put in reabilitation, instead of prison. I believe that drug dealers should be put in the program ascribed above.

"Justice" is ascribed by society itself. There is no natural law.
 
Nobody said anything about natural law.

Justice systems were initially derived to repair the victim. Over time the King or state took the place of the vicitim. This concept of "justice" is what allows for victimless crimes or crimes against the state.

People who take meth or crack are not criminals based on that act. Neither are drug dealers.

The justice system should be about repairing the victim, not the criminal or society.
 
I really think one of the best ways to make sure the government doesn't go beyond it's granted powers is to give it only the ability to repair, not to retribute. If someone has antisocial disorder, that should be dealth with in another way.
 
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