Surge is succeding, Dims lost in time...

[WRL]

Our view on war in Iraq: Surge's success holds chance to seize the moment in Iraq

Instead, Democrats are lost in time...


U.S. and Iraqi casualties are down sharply. Fewer of the most lethal Iranian-made explosive devices are being used as roadside bombs. In community after community, Sunni groups who were once in league with

al-Qaeda have switched sides and are working with the U.S. forces.​

On the Shiite side of Iraq's sectarian chasm, something similar is happening. About 70,000 local, pro-government groups, a bit like neighborhood watch groups, have formed to expose extremist militias, according to Stephen Biddle of the Council on Foreign Relations.
But as much as facts have changed on the ground, little seems to have changed in Washington. There are plans to withdraw some troops next year, but there is no clear picture of the endgame in Iraq. How long will troops be needed? Exactly what do we expect success to look like? Will we leave behind a permanent presence?

http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/12/our-view-on-war.html


The democrats have no idea what to do in Iraq, like most issues, it's a game of politics, and when we have lives on the line, you don't play politics, and certainly all politics should end at the shores edge. I've even seen dims claiming to have been 'right' about Iraq, as if being a hyper partisan ever made anyone right.

The facts on the ground are positive, and dims need to recognize this.

Nancy Pelosi needs to stop playing General, and actually let the Generals go their job. Our military commanders are in the best position to decide when our troops have finished the job, and can come home. We should put our faith in the commanders on the ground, not those morons in Washington.
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Congress should not set any artificial timetables on our commanders, let our troops finish the job, so we can have victory, and so their isn't a bigger mess in 10 years...

 

[uscitizen]

A temporary band Aid at best, this is not over by a long shot.

 

[Battleborne]

And what do you know about this...........

A temporary band Aid at best, this is not over by a long shot.

Mr.'Code Pink' sleep with the enemy so you can gain the advantage of how a Lady Dresses...when your sex change operation is final...did you not in another thread say how you and darla are sorta kissn' cousins...not a quote here..just a observation..sgt!

 

[Beefy]

I sure as fuck hope the surge works. Anything that'll bring a timely end to this disaster is okay in my book.

 

[Cypress]

WRL, you were saying two and three years ago that things were going great in Iraq. When they weren't.

Basically, you've disqualified yourself from ever commenting on how things are going in iraq.


Violence has edged down for a number of reasons. More US troops probably helps to a limited extent, particularly around bagdad. But, we're paying off sunni insurgents who used to kill americans, to be our little temporary war lord allies. Does that sound wise to you? Paying off people, that YOU used to call "terrorists"? The shia south is completely run by militias, and the country has broken apart along fault lines that will probably never be repaired. Its going to be a failed state, a fractured country torn by sectarianism for years to come. In party, because you voted for a moron for president.

 

[Diuretic]

I hope the brass isn't as disconnected from reality as the war boosters are.

 

[Battleborne]

Once again..............

WRL, you were saying two and three years ago that things were going great in Iraq. When they weren't.

Basically, you've disqualified yourself from ever commenting on how things are going in iraq.


Violence has edged down for a number of reasons. More US troops probably helps to a limited extent, particularly around bagdad. But, we're paying off sunni insurgents who used to kill americans, to be our little temporary war lord allies. Does that sound wise to you? Paying off people, that YOU used to call "terrorists"? The shia south is completely run by militias, and the country has broken apart along fault lines that will probably never be repaired. Its going to be a failed state, a fractured country torn by sectarianism for years to come. In party, because you voted for a moron for president.

Does not your relatives along with Lassie need your attention more than your diatribes on a message board...what a false outrage guy/girl/dude or dudette ya are...ya called for sympathy in another thread..now here you are back with more BS diatribes..go figure..! Putin and Chavez are proud of you!

 

[uscitizen]

Mr.'Code Pink' sleep with the enemy so you can gain the advantage of how a Lady Dresses...when your sex change operation is final...did you not in another thread say how you and darla are sorta kissn' cousins...not a quote here..just a observation..sgt!

And that has what to do with this subject ?

 

[uscitizen]

I hope the brass isn't as disconnected from reality as the war boosters are.

yes, of course they are ruled by the chimp though.
Both the brass and the war boosters that is.

 

[WRL]

WRL, you were saying two and three years ago that things were going great in Iraq. When they weren't.

Basically, you've disqualified yourself from ever commenting on how things are going in iraq.


Violence has edged down for a number of reasons. More US troops probably helps to a limited extent, particularly around bagdad. But, we're paying off sunni insurgents who used to kill americans, to be our little temporary war lord allies. Does that sound wise to you? Paying off people, that YOU used to call "terrorists"? The shia south is completely run by militias, and the country has broken apart along fault lines that will probably never be repaired. Its going to be a failed state, a fractured country torn by sectarianism for years to come. In party, because you voted for a moron for president.

you're speaking of 'volunteers' and one of the major political fall backs is the inaction of the Shiites to absorb these volunteers into the national bloc, or get them paid for their efforts.

 

[uscitizen]

Just another six months!

 

[Battleborne]

They aren't...........

I hope the brass isn't as disconnected from reality as the war boosters are.

They are on track...unlike the Aussie turncoat...ya shame me and all LE and Military...why do you hate freedom and security so...Mr.Manager of LE officers...I am begining to think ya are a fraud...if not please explain this diatribe...or just have another beer and put another shrimp on the Barbee..whichever or whatever!

 

[WRL]

I hope the brass isn't as disconnected from reality as the war boosters are.

no one is 'pro-war' least I hope not, but the facts are, we are there, we broke it, we have to fix it, we've seen before what happens when you break something and walk away from hit, read German history from 1918 to 1933.

 

[uscitizen]

Ahh the latest rationalistic mutated definition of war support.

Pretty much verbatim from the playbook.

 

[cawacko]

Ahh the latest rationalistic mutated definition of war support.

Pretty much verbatim from the playbook.

that rational or line of thinking has been around a lot longer than the Iraq War. Sorry you are so late to the game.

 

[Beefy]

that rational or line of thinking has been around a lot longer than the Iraq War. Sorry you are so late to the game.

You been drinkin'?

 

[uscitizen]

Better late than never.

 

[Diuretic]

yes, of course they are ruled by the chimp though.
Both the brass and the war boosters that is.

I suppose any brass that tells the truth to power is going to suffer.

 

[Diuretic]

They are on track...unlike the Aussie turncoat...ya shame me and all LE and Military...why do you hate freedom and security so...Mr.Manager of LE officers...I am begining to think ya are a fraud...if not please explain this diatribe...or just have another beer and put another shrimp on the Barbee..whichever or whatever!

On track? Pig's bloody arse. The insurgents are on their own ground, they can afford to wait out any "surge" and anyone with half a brain knows it. It's a measure of the politicisation of this invasion and occupation that Bush and Cheney are desperate to "prove" to Americans that they haven't committed the biggest fuckup in US foreign policy. They have.

Now, about LE and military. In my country we separate the two and we make sure they're each different from one another. We haven't made a fetish of militarism although that hasn't stopped the odd idiot from trying to pass themselves off as a former serviceman (seems to be males who do this) to gain kudos on Anzac Day.

And about me being a fraud. Think what you will, it doesn't concern me. I don't expect anyone to give any weight to any of my remarks simply because of what I do for a job. I'll stand behind my views with evidence rather than some half-arsed appeal to my occupational status.

As for "turncoat", I have opposed this fuckup from it's "shock and awe" days when people were babbling about how wonderful the doctrine was. I asked - not here of course, I wasn't a member - if anyone remembered the Nazi doctrine of "blitzkrieg" - lightning war. Shock and fucking awe. What a fucking joke.

 

[cawacko]

You been drinkin'?

Not yet but our office party starts here in 30 minutes so I will be.

I was saying that the concept of 'you break it you own it' has been around prior to 2003. So citizen trying to claim we are playing out of Bush's playbook is way late to the game.