Surprise! Massachusetts pushes for spanking ban

Well you're an idiotic fucking libertarian who thinks dueling should be legal because it's "victimless". So that pretty much renders your opinion on the subject irrelevant, RS.
 
Darla said:
Well, I’m not going to spend the rest of my life arguing with you guys over this. Violence begets violence, this we know. As I’m sure you know, children who are abused will grow up to become abusers themselves. It is what they know.

Now is a “spanking” abuse? Well, again this is self-evident, everyone’s definition of a spanking differs, so yes, sometimes it is clearly abuse, and other times it’s not, but it is my personal opinion that it still instills the wrong lesson.

And SF is wrong in my case at least; neither my mother or my father ever raised their hand to me, once, and that includes “spankings”. So I do not feel the way I feel because my parents “went over the line from spanking to abuse”.

I am not certain about a law, but I would say at the very least we can have a law that states if you “spank” a child with anything other than your hand (and plenty of people consider using a strap “spanking”), then you will be charged.

That’s it for me on this thread.
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I think the "abused = abusers" is oversimplifying. Many, many, many of them decide that because they were abused they will not perpetuate it. In fact, every one of my friends who went through abuse as kids, do not regularly spank and felt huge guilt even smacking a hand reaching for the electrical socket....
 
Agreed.............

Watermark said:
10% is a lot, BB.
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Just one is way too many...however that is life...no one can change that...there will always be weirdos,killers and pervs...catch em'and lockem'up or neutralize them depending on the crime...thats all a civilized world can do!
 
Watermark said:
Well you're an idiotic fucking libertarian who thinks dueling should be legal because it's "victimless". So that pretty much renders your opinion on the subject irrelevant, RS.
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Your argument is nonsense, water. You think violence is terrific so long as the state is employing it.
 
And the supposed proof that spanking is "always" damaging is nonsense too. Your study lumped occasional or even rare spanking in with clear abuse.


http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2001/08/24_spank.html

Berkeley - Occasional spanking does not damage a child's social or emotional development, according to a study of long-term consequences in the lives of more than 100 families, reported today (Friday, Aug. 24) by a University of California, Berkeley, psychologist.
The research presented by Diana Baumrind, who co-authored the study with Elizabeth Owens, both research psychologists at UC Berkeley's Institute of Human Development, calls into question a current claim that any physical punishment is harmful to a child.

The study separates out parents who use spanking frequently and severely - resulting in evidence of harm - and focuses on those families who occasionally spank their children, a practice that Baumrind calls normal for the population sampled.
 
More proof that it is not the form of punishment but whether the punishment is unjust that does the damage.

http://faculty.biola.edu/paulp/spare_the_rod.htm

Researchers John Lyons, Rachel Anderson and David Larson of the National Institute of Healthcare Research recently conducted a systematic review of the research literature on corporal punishment.[6] They found that 83 percent of the 132 identified articles published in clinical and psychosocial journals were merely opinion-driven editorials, reviews or commentaries, devoid of new empirical findings. Moreover, most of the empirical studies were methodologically flawed by grouping the impact of abuse with spanking. The best studies demonstrated beneficial, not detrimental, effects of spanking in certain situations. Clearly, there is insufficient evidence to condemn parental spanking and adequate evidence to justify its proper use.
 
So unjust punishment not corporal punishment has a detrimental effect. And we are going to have the state, that blows away grandma cause some people like to smoke pot, fix this?
 
RStringfield said:
More proof that it is not the form of punishment but whether the punishment is unjust that does the damage.

http://faculty.biola.edu/paulp/spare_the_rod.htm

Researchers John Lyons, Rachel Anderson and David Larson of the National Institute of Healthcare Research recently conducted a systematic review of the research literature on corporal punishment.[6] They found that 83 percent of the 132 identified articles published in clinical and psychosocial journals were merely opinion-driven editorials, reviews or commentaries, devoid of new empirical findings. Moreover, most of the empirical studies were methodologically flawed by grouping the impact of abuse with spanking. The best studies demonstrated beneficial, not detrimental, effects of spanking in certain situations. Clearly, there is insufficient evidence to condemn parental spanking and adequate evidence to justify its proper use.
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ZOMG?! Thankyou economist working out of his field!
 
RStringfield said:
Your argument is nonsense, water. You think violence is terrific so long as the state is employing it.
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Oh the horror, you have to pay taxes, poor baby.

That's much worse than little children in the south being beaten until they have welts or they're bleeding because a lazy teacher doesn't like them and wrote them up.
 
Watermark said:
Oh the horror, you have to pay taxes, poor baby.

That's much worse than little children in the south being beaten until they have welts or they're bleeding because a lazy teacher doesn't like them and wrote them up.
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Dude, you are an idiot. Spanking is not limited to the south and nobody is advocating beating children severely. Further, the discussion is not about schools using corporal punishment (I am against it in public schools).
 
RStringfield said:
And the supposed proof that spanking is "always" damaging is nonsense too. Your study lumped occasional or even rare spanking in with clear abuse.


http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2001/08/24_spank.html

Berkeley - Occasional spanking does not damage a child's social or emotional development, according to a study of long-term consequences in the lives of more than 100 families, reported today (Friday, Aug. 24) by a University of California, Berkeley, psychologist.
The research presented by Diana Baumrind, who co-authored the study with Elizabeth Owens, both research psychologists at UC Berkeley's Institute of Human Development, calls into question a current claim that any physical punishment is harmful to a child.

The study separates out parents who use spanking frequently and severely - resulting in evidence of harm - and focuses on those families who occasionally spank their children, a practice that Baumrind calls normal for the population sampled.
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who would believe a liberal place like Berkley anyway ?
Weren't they the ones with the study that said that whiney children grow up to be Republicans ?
 
Watermark said:
Sicko conservatives just get off on beating children and seeing them cry. It's in their natural barbarian nature.
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Sounds like you have some personal issues with this incident from the school letter. You couldn't be more wrong, I hate spanking and never enjoy it, I always don't feel the best after, but I feel right and justified when I see the results.
 
TheDanold said:
Sounds like you have some personal issues with this incident from the school letter. You couldn't be more wrong, I hate spanking and never enjoy it, I always don't feel the best after, but I feel right and justified when I see the results.
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Results? Nothing but imagination from a barbaric conservative mind.
 
False obediance, because conservatives are too stupid to establish authority with any method other than beating and bruising and abusing their children.
 
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