Tancredo: Arizona went too far

No, it wasn't reasonable to assume any such thing, he didn't say it and he didn't imply it! He didn't think it went too far, and you just fucking repeated that lie AGAIN! (see your first sentence, moron!)

I was explaining why it was newsworthy and fodder for ridicule, Ditzy. Not because Tancredo is an esteemed member of the right, but because he is considered extreme.

I except Tancredo's word that that was not what he intended.

This is yet another completely dishonest pile of horse shit from Huffington, Stewart, and YOU! And it has been exposed as such! Hows about you people work on your HONESTY a little bit... ya think you might be able to manage getting through a single day without LYING YOUR ASS OFF?

What proof do you have that anyone lied, dumbfuck. Lying requires intent to distort. I know I did not. HuffPo corrected themselves and Stewart's an actual comedian (you know like you guys pretend Rush is every time he says something stupid).

Tancredo said he was against something which this bills fails to adequately protect against without funding for training. While he might not believe this bill calls for those actions it does not do enough to protect against them.
 
http://www.talkleft.com/story/2010/...ticsOfCrime+(TalkLeft:+The+Politics+of+Crime)

Tancredo: Arizona Went Too Far


By Big Tent Democrat,



MileHi Hawkeye points us to this:
Former Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-CO), who crusaded for tough anti-immigration measures while in Congress, told KDVR-TV that while he supported the new immigration law in Arizona he thought it went too far. Said Tancredo: "I do not want people here, there in Arizona, pulled over because you look like should be pulled over."​
(Emphasis supplied.) As MileHi says, if Tancredo thinks you went too far in Latino loathing and immigrant bashing, then you probably crossed the line about 100 hundred miles back.

Tancredo can suck it. All Arizona did was mirror existing Federal law -- Federal laws which the Federal government refuses to enforce.
 
Tancredo can suck it. All Arizona did was mirror existing Federal law -- Federal laws which the Federal government refuses to enforce.

Tancredo didn't say it! They admit that back a couple of pages, and try to claim it isn't in "quotes" so it doesn't mean he actually said it! LOL This is what passes for 'credible journalism' at the Huffington Post and on the Daily Show, apparently.

Tancredo actually says he LIKES the AZ law, and wished Colorado would pass a similar one.
 
Tancredo didn't say it! They admit that back a couple of pages, and try to claim it isn't in "quotes" so it doesn't mean he actually said it! LOL This is what passes for 'credible journalism' at the Huffington Post and on the Daily Show, apparently.

Tancredo actually says he LIKES the AZ law, and wished Colorado would pass a similar one.

That makes a lot more sense; as a Congressman, Tancredo was strong on immigration. Just goes to reveal the lows the Huffington Compost will go to.
 
What proof do you have that anyone lied, dumbfuck. Lying requires intent to distort. I know I did not. HuffPo corrected themselves and Stewart's an actual comedian (you know like you guys pretend Rush is every time he says something stupid).

The title of the thread, dumbfuck! We've already been over this. When you type; Tancredo: Arizona Law goes too far And Tancredo hasn't said anything remotely close to that, or implied anything remotely near that.... it is a LIE! It is done with the clearest intent to distort!

Tancredo said he was against something which this bills fails to adequately protect against without funding for training. While he might not believe this bill calls for those actions it does not do enough to protect against them.

No, Tancredo didn't say he was "against" any fucking thing about the bill, dumbfuck! STOP LYING! He said nothing about the bill not doing enough to protect against anything, he says nothing about the bill failing to adequately fund anything, you are an outright LIAR and you CONTINUE to LIE!

Why can't you be honest? Have you just LIED so damn much it's second nature? I've known people like that before... lie to your face just for the challenge of seeing if they can get away with it! Is that how you are about everything?
 
The title of the thread, dumbfuck! We've already been over this. When you type; Tancredo: Arizona Law goes too far And Tancredo hasn't said anything remotely close to that, or implied anything remotely near that.... it is a LIE! It is done with the clearest intent to distort!

So you have no proof?

No, Tancredo didn't say he was "against" any fucking thing about the bill, dumbfuck! STOP LYING! He said nothing about the bill not doing enough to protect against anything, he says nothing about the bill failing to adequately fund anything, you are an outright LIAR and you CONTINUE to LIE!

You are fucking R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D. What did I say Tancredo was against? I alluded only to those things he specifically stated, concerning what he would not support, i.e., pulling people over based on how they look. The statements concerning a lack of adequate funding are mine. I did not in anyway indicate they were Tancredo's, Ditzy.

Why can't you be honest? Have you just LIED so damn much it's second nature? I've known people like that before... lie to your face just for the challenge of seeing if they can get away with it! Is that how you are about everything?

I have not lied about anything, Ditzy. I thought Tancredo had reservations on the bill. I was in error. I am satisfied he does not based upon his word, since he is the preeminent expert of his own fucking opinions. He should have reservations, based upon what he claims he would oppose. The lack of training/funding is my argument as to why.
 
Tancredo didn't say it! They admit that back a couple of pages, and try to claim it isn't in "quotes" so it doesn't mean he actually said it! LOL This is what passes for 'credible journalism' at the Huffington Post and on the Daily Show, apparently.

Tancredo actually says he LIKES the AZ law, and wished Colorado would pass a similar one.

Credible journalism at the HuffPo includes an update with Tancredo's statement that that was not his meaning. Stewart does a comedy show. He's not a journalist.
 
So you have no proof?

The "proof" is the title of the goddamn thread, you moron!

You are fucking R-E-T-A-R-D-E-D. What did I say Tancredo was against? I alluded only to those things he specifically stated, concerning what he would not support, i.e., pulling people over based on how they look. The statements concerning a lack of adequate funding are mine. I did not in anyway indicate they were Tancredo's, Ditzy.

LMAO... Yeah, I know the statements are YOURS... that seems to be the problem here, YOU make a statement and try to attribute it to Tancredo! That's called LYING!

I have not lied about anything, Ditzy. I thought Tancredo had reservations on the bill. I was in error. I am satisfied he does not based upon his word, since he is the preeminent expert of his own fucking opinions. He should have reservations, based upon what he claims he would oppose. The lack of training/funding is my argument as to why.

Well with everyone running around lying and claiming Tancredo thinks the bill goes too far, I can certainly see where you may have gotten that impression! He doesn't "oppose" anything about the bill. He said he wouldn't be in favor of a bill that allowed people to be pulled over just because they looked like they needed pulling over... but neither do I, and neither did the legislators who wrote the goddamn bill, because that isn't in the bill!
 
The "proof" is the title of the goddamn thread, you moron!

Nope. As far as I can tell politicalwire is the original source for the title and take on it. It's possible they or anyone else in the chain intended to distort. But the title alone does not prove that.


LMAO... Yeah, I know the statements are YOURS... that seems to be the problem here, YOU make a statement and try to attribute it to Tancredo! That's called LYING!

I did not claim the words were Tancredo's. You misunderstood me. No, that's not possible, you are lying! :D


Well with everyone running around lying and claiming Tancredo thinks the bill goes too far, I can certainly see where you may have gotten that impression! He doesn't "oppose" anything about the bill. He said he wouldn't be in favor of a bill that allowed people to be pulled over just because they looked like they needed pulling over... but neither do I, and neither did the legislators who wrote the goddamn bill, because that isn't in the bill!

Yes, I understand that. I am arguing that the bill does not take adequate protection against such actions and makes it more likely without proper training of officers.
 
Nope. As far as I can tell politicalwire is the original source for the title and take on it. It's possible they or anyone else in the chain intended to distort. But the title alone does not prove that.

The title of the thread is by some loser named Mr. Spite, and the linked video posted on page 1 is by Jon Stewart of the Daily Show. Linked is the Huffington Post. I don't know know where this originated, but the title of the thread is certainly misleading, even to the stupidest moron on the planet. If you just want to act like a retard and stubbornly refuse to admit that, it's entirely up to you, I've got better things to do than argue with a retard.

I did not claim the words were Tancredo's. You misunderstood me. No, that's not possible, you are lying! :D

These are YOUR WORDS:
"Tancredo said he was against something which this bills fails to adequately protect against without funding for training." Tancredo SAID no such thing!

Again, I have better things to do than ARGUE with a RETARD!

Yes, I understand that. I am arguing that the bill does not take adequate protection against such actions and makes it more likely without proper training of officers.

The bill does exactly what the Federal law does! I think most law enforcement officers are adequately trained to enforce the law, that is why they go to law enforcement training school! There is absolutely NOTHING in this law, anything different than any other law they enforce every day! They are properly trained in how to enforce the law, how to uphold the 4th Amendment to the Constitution, and how to properly ascertain if there is 'reasonable suspicion' and 'probable cause'. You are simply trying to dance around like a goofy bitch, and find some way to save face amid the LIE you tried to peddle here. It's not working... Just shut the fuck up and go away! LIAR!
 
The title of the thread is by some loser named Mr. Spite, and the linked video posted on page 1 is by Jon Stewart of the Daily Show. Linked is the Huffington Post. I don't know know where this originated, but the title of the thread is certainly misleading, even to the stupidest moron on the planet. If you just want to act like a retard and stubbornly refuse to admit that, it's entirely up to you, I've got better things to do than argue with a retard.

Ditzy, obviously I would say it is misleading since I have acknowledged it does not appear to be accurate based on the new information from Tancredo. That does not mean it is a lie.


These are YOUR WORDS:
"Tancredo said he was against something (which this bills fails to adequately protect against without funding for training." Tancredo SAID no such thing!

Yep. You misunderstood me. I will rephrase. Tancredo said he was against "pulling people over based on how they look." Note: just to help you out ditzy, that's the end of anything attributed to Tancredo after this comes my words. But this bill fails to adequately protect against that without adequate funding for training.

Get it.
Again, I have better things to do than ARGUE with a RETARD!

Hopefully, learning to comprehend, rather than looking to spin, what others post.

The bill does exactly what the Federal law does! I think most law enforcement officers are adequately trained to enforce the law, that is why they go to law enforcement training school! There is absolutely NOTHING in this law, anything different than any other law they enforce every day! They are properly trained in how to enforce the law, how to uphold the 4th Amendment to the Constitution, and how to properly ascertain if there is 'reasonable suspicion' and 'probable cause'.

It does not do exactly what the Federal law does. This bill attempts to give powers to local leo's not enjoyed by federal immigration agents, i.e., warrantless arrest powers away from the border without probable cause to believe that the person will escape.

You are simply trying to dance around like a goofy bitch, and find some way to save face amid the LIE you tried to peddle here. It's not working... Just shut the fuck up and go away! LIAR!

Again with the dishonesty from you. I WAS IN ERROR AND HAVE NOTED THAT SEVERAL TIMES NOW. I am not like you (1/3). I am capable of admitting error (1/3). I don't have to keep repeating stupid shit (1/3) when I find myself to be in error (1/3). I admit my error (1/3) and move on, accepting the new knowledge happily.

I believe, I may have been the first to note Tancredo's objection to the blog mischaracterization. I even posted a thread title for you. And yet you still claim I am lying.

That's Ditzy.
 
The OP states that Tancredo supported the law. It does appear that Tancredo may have been taken out of context, though. If so that was done by KDVR not HuffPo or the Daily Show. HuffPo has added an update to the story.

http://blogs.westword.com/latestword/2010/04/tom_tancredo_huffpo_is_wrong_a.php

Here, is where I, the liar, pointed out first that Tancredo was disputing this take on his words.

Another lie from me. I indicated the source for the incorrect interpretation was KDVR but it appears it was politicalwire.com. God, I am such a fucking liar.
 
Ditzy, obviously I would say it is misleading since I have acknowledged it does not appear to be accurate based on the new information from Tancredo. That does not mean it is a lie.

That means that's EXACTLY what it is! Tancredo did not say it, did not imply it, and said essentially the opposite of what the title indicates. How much more obvious does a LIE have to be for you? I mean, is there like some secret liberal criteria for when something magically becomes a lie? Does Mr. Spite, Ms. Huffington, and Mr. Stewart have a different standard than your typical right-winger? I've always thought, when someone says something that is patently untrue, that is a LIE!

Yep. You misunderstood me. I will rephrase. Tancredo said he was against "pulling people over based on how they look." Note: just to help you out ditzy, that's the end of anything attributed to Tancredo after this comes my words. But this bill fails to adequately protect against that without adequate funding for training.

Tancredo is against that, I am against that, the Founding Fathers were against that, the Constitution is against that, Arizona lawmakers were against that when they wrote the bill! I also don't think we should put babies in burlap bags and throw them in the river! What the fuck does it have to do with the law passed in Arizona? It doesn't "adequately address the dangers" of me gouging your eyes out with a pair of scissors! It doesn't need to! We have other laws that DO adequately address that, and in the case of the Arizona law and ANY law, we have a thing called the Constitution! There is no "special training" needed by law enforcement officers to enforce the law, it's what they do everyday!


NOPE!


Hopefully, learning to comprehend, rather than looking to spin, what others post.

The only one spinning here is YOU! After being exposed as a LIAR, you've continued to try and SPIN this into some brilliantly profound point, and you've come off looking like a total buffoon.

It does not do exactly what the Federal law does. This bill attempts to give powers to local leo's not enjoyed by federal immigration agents, i.e., warrantless arrest powers away from the border without probable cause to believe that the person will escape.

I've read the damn law! It does NOT give any such authority to ignore or disregard 'probable cause' or 'reasonable suspicion' and must be implemented in accordance with the Constitution. It is specifically worded to mirror the Federal law, and essentially gives local law enforcement the authority to do what the Federal government has the authority to do, but WON'T do! If the Federal law doesn't violate people's rights, then neither does the Arizona law, it's as simple as that.

Again with the dishonesty from you. I WAS IN ERROR AND HAVE NOTED THAT SEVERAL TIMES NOW. I am not like you (1/3). I am capable of admitting error (1/3). I don't have to keep repeating stupid shit (1/3) when I find myself to be in error (1/3). I admit my error (1/3) and move on, accepting the new knowledge happily.

Yes, you were in error, but you continue to try and spin this so that you come out smelling all rosy. You're still trying to argue that a lie was not told, that no one intended to mislead, and that Tancredo was somehow saying something he did not say. You've interjected your absurd opinion which has no basis in logic or reason, and now you've resorted to posting a 'division problem' in between your idiotic maya culpa. Math won't help you here!

I believe, I may have been the first to note Tancredo's objection to the blog mischaracterization. I even posted a thread title for you. And yet you still claim I am lying.

That's Ditzy.

Because you continue to falsely characterize the Arizona law, and argue that it does things it doesn't do, or it leaves some gaping loophole that usurps people's Constitutional rights... it just doesn't do that! You're an idiot, Arianna Huffington is an idiot, Mr. Spite is an idiot, Jon Stewart is an idiot, Lindsey Graham is an idiot, and anyone who thinks this law violates the Constitution, is an idiot!
 
Not surprisingly I agree. Again, a better law would be to simply enforce a requirement on employers to use E-Verify and to actually fine employers who hire people whose identifications do not match.
and put a few employers of illegal aliens in jail for repeat offenses. Fines only have a deterrent affect if have a substantial impact on profits. A $100 fine cause they hired an illegal wouldn't be a deterrent. A $50,000 fine probably would be.
 
That means that's EXACTLY what it is! Tancredo did not say it, did not imply it, and said essentially the opposite of what the title indicates. How much more obvious does a LIE have to be for you? I mean, is there like some secret liberal criteria for when something magically becomes a lie? Does Mr. Spite, Ms. Huffington, and Mr. Stewart have a different standard than your typical right-winger? I've always thought, when someone says something that is patently untrue, that is a LIE!

My magical standard is when it meets the definition of a lie. Again, a lie requires intent to distort. It is possible that this was just an error and not a lie. You have shown no proof of intent, therefore there is no reason to believe it is a lie.

There is no "special training" needed by law enforcement officers to enforce the law, it's what they do everyday!

This is a new law and you are simply ignorant if you believe there is no possibility for officers to enforce this new law in negative ways, either willfully or in honest error. Training and other protections is needed to prevent that.

You have displayed some of the common confusion on immigration law. I would be surprised to find that some leo's don't suffer the same misconceptions on the law that you do. I doubt there is even one that has as many misconceptions as you, but...
 
That means that's EXACTLY what it is! Tancredo did not say it, did not imply it, and said essentially the opposite of what the title indicates. How much more obvious does a LIE have to be for you? I mean, is there like some secret liberal criteria for when something magically becomes a lie? Does Mr. Spite, Ms. Huffington, and Mr. Stewart have a different standard than your typical right-winger? I've always thought, when someone says something that is patently untrue, that is a LIE!



Tancredo is against that, I am against that, the Founding Fathers were against that, the Constitution is against that, Arizona lawmakers were against that when they wrote the bill! I also don't think we should put babies in burlap bags and throw them in the river! What the fuck does it have to do with the law passed in Arizona? It doesn't "adequately address the dangers" of me gouging your eyes out with a pair of scissors! It doesn't need to! We have other laws that DO adequately address that, and in the case of the Arizona law and ANY law, we have a thing called the Constitution! There is no "special training" needed by law enforcement officers to enforce the law, it's what they do everyday!



NOPE!




The only one spinning here is YOU! After being exposed as a LIAR, you've continued to try and SPIN this into some brilliantly profound point, and you've come off looking like a total buffoon.



I've read the damn law! It does NOT give any such authority to ignore or disregard 'probable cause' or 'reasonable suspicion' and must be implemented in accordance with the Constitution. It is specifically worded to mirror the Federal law, and essentially gives local law enforcement the authority to do what the Federal government has the authority to do, but WON'T do! If the Federal law doesn't violate people's rights, then neither does the Arizona law, it's as simple as that.



Yes, you were in error, but you continue to try and spin this so that you come out smelling all rosy. You're still trying to argue that a lie was not told, that no one intended to mislead, and that Tancredo was somehow saying something he did not say. You've interjected your absurd opinion which has no basis in logic or reason, and now you've resorted to posting a 'division problem' in between your idiotic maya culpa. Math won't help you here!



Because you continue to falsely characterize the Arizona law, and argue that it does things it doesn't do, or it leaves some gaping loophole that usurps people's Constitutional rights... it just doesn't do that! You're an idiot, Arianna Huffington is an idiot, Mr. Spite is an idiot, Jon Stewart is an idiot, Lindsey Graham is an idiot, and anyone who thinks this law violates the Constitution, is an idiot!

Look out board... Ditzie is ramped up to full spaz today...
 
and put a few employers of illegal aliens in jail for repeat offenses. Fines only have a deterrent affect if have a substantial impact on profits. A $100 fine cause they hired an illegal wouldn't be a deterrent. A $50,000 fine probably would be.

Personally, I think they should fine the President/CEO, HR head (when applicable) as well as the Chairman of the board (when applicable) rather than the 'company'.

The 'company' is just a piece of paper. It does not feel the pain in the way individuals would.
 

Of course, you did not.


The only one spinning here is YOU! After being exposed as a LIAR, you've continued to try and SPIN this into some brilliantly profound point, and you've come off looking like a total buffoon.

I exposed my own error, Ditzy.

I've read the damn law! It does NOT give any such authority to ignore or disregard 'probable cause' or 'reasonable suspicion' and must be implemented in accordance with the Constitution. It is specifically worded to mirror the Federal law, and essentially gives local law enforcement the authority to do what the Federal government has the authority to do, but WON'T do! If the Federal law doesn't violate people's rights, then neither does the Arizona law, it's as simple as that.

I quoted the relevant parts that give this power. I believe it was Section 2 E.

Yes, you were in error, but you continue to try and spin this so that you come out smelling all rosy. You're still trying to argue that a lie was not told, that no one intended to mislead, and that Tancredo was somehow saying something he did not say. You've interjected your absurd opinion which has no basis in logic or reason, and now you've resorted to posting a 'division problem' in between your idiotic maya culpa. Math won't help you here!

:rolleyes:

I am not arguing that it is not a lie. May be. I don't have any proof that it is, do you? Again a lie requires intent to distort.

Maya Culpa. Here is my Maya Angelou.

Fuck you. I need not apologize to a toothless pea brain for making an error that did not relate to him personally. I acknowledged my error many posts ago without guilt as none is warranted.

Because you continue to falsely characterize the Arizona law, and argue that it does things it doesn't do, or it leaves some gaping loophole that usurps people's Constitutional rights... it just doesn't do that! You're an idiot, Arianna Huffington is an idiot, Mr. Spite is an idiot, Jon Stewart is an idiot, Lindsey Graham is an idiot, and anyone who thinks this law violates the Constitution, is an idiot!

Bullshit. I have provided the text where it does exactly what I said it does and have provided other argument for why it will it be shot down. Do you have a rebuttal?
 
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