TESLA NAMED CHEAPEST LUXURY CAR BRAND TO MAINTAIN:‘I WILL NEVER OWN A GAS CAR AGAIN'

[T. A. Gardner]

Bingo. It's risk enough just to run the apartment complex as it is. There is always someone willing to sue you for some inane reason. Landlords already spend enough time in court (many don't bother with lawyers anymore because the inanity from the renters is so repetitive).

If an EV catches fire while it's on the charger, gets who is going to get blamed for it? Yup...the landlord. Guess who gets to pay for all the cars and the parking lot that burned in the process? Yup...the landlord.

No thanks.

Hell, my kid a few weeks ago parked his truck in an apartment complex where he was visiting a friend. It got towed. I went down to the office with the kid and showed the manager Phoenix's (it was in Phoenix as opposed to some other city) ordinance on parking and towing, then pointed out their signage didn't meet Phoenix code and they illegally towed the vehicle. It was call the tow company and release the vehicle without charge, or get sued. Their choice. The manager called their lawyer, and...

Guess which one they chose.

 

[Into the Night]

Hell, my kid a few weeks ago parked his truck in an apartment complex where he was visiting a friend. It got towed. I went down to the office with the kid and showed the manager Phoenix's (it was in Phoenix as opposed to some other city) ordinance on parking and towing, then pointed out their signage didn't meet Phoenix code and they illegally towed the vehicle. It was call the tow company and release the vehicle without charge, or get sued. Their choice. The manager called their lawyer, and...

Guess which one they chose.

A lot of landlords get smacked this way! Something is not up to code or up to legal requirements, but they fight it anyway (and lose!). Of course, the signage might HAVE been up to code, and the claim was bogus, in which case the landlord would win.

But this subthread is about the cost to landlords (and the resulting rise in rentals and the resulting increase in risk) for installing charging stations for their cars in their own parking lots and apartment garages.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

A lot of landlords get smacked this way! Something is not up to code or up to legal requirements, but they fight it anyway (and lose!). Of course, the signage might HAVE been up to code, and the claim was bogus, in which case the landlord would win.

But this subthread is about the cost to landlords (and the resulting rise in rentals and the resulting increase in risk) for installing charging stations for their cars in their own parking lots and apartment garages.

The signage was wrong, and I pointed out exactly how with photos of their signage. They were wrong and they knew it wasn't worth the fight I'd give them.

As for charging stations, I can see insurance going up for landlords, issues with broken charging stations, the massive cost of installing them and even getting loans to do so. For example one of the complexes I regularly get called in to do electrical work on was built in the 60's. The wiring is all aluminum and in asbestos sheathed Romex. I understand from the GC that works with the owners, that they can't get loans on the property because much of the construction is so substandard by 2023 code.

The parking at that complex is a combination of owner controlled and public street parking. There isn't enough space on the property for every tenant to park so some park on the street. That would mean even if the owners put in charging stations for tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of dollars, some of the tenants couldn't charge their cars because they street park.

 

[QP!]

Joey wets panties,

The funniest part is not only is the Corvette FAR more likely to catch fire, but this type of dumb meme is the only way (fake) to compare them as the Tesla just eats the corvette on the track and its not even close.

It is like racing a 60's corvette versus a 60's average Toyota sedan. Totally outclassed.

 

[QP!]

Sure.... eventually the issues will be ironed out. EVs just aren't a realistic solution to replace ICE vehicles in all scenarios... probably few actually.

Not sure what you mean by that, but the vast, vast majority of miles driven are the typical work/home/errands trip around town, where EV"S are ideal.

It is actually 'few' scenarios where they are not ideal.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

The funniest part is not only is the Corvette FAR more likely to catch fire, but this type of dumb meme is the only way (fake) to compare them as the Tesla just eats the corvette on the track and its not even close.

It is like racing a 60's corvette versus a 60's average Toyota sedan. Totally outclassed.

The MAGA morons know they've lost the EV debate. That's why they post misleading memes and misinformation. Their surrender is accepted.

 

[ZenMode]

Not sure what you mean by that, but the vast, vast majority of miles driven are the typical work/home/errands trip around town, where EV"S are ideal.

It is actually 'few' scenarios where they are not ideal.

Yah, I mostly agree. Some vehicles, the Nissan Leaf I believe, only has about 150 mile range. If you don't have a full charge, can't find a charger that's available and compatible, you might be in trouble.

The infrastructure just isn't there, IMO, for EVs to be truly reliable. There are gas stations on every other corner. You might need to drive 15 miles to find a charger and then hope it's not being used.

 

[Lionfish]

The funniest part is not only is the Corvette FAR more likely to catch fire, but this type of dumb meme is the only way (fake) to compare them as the Tesla just eats the corvette on the track and its not even close.

It is like racing a 60's corvette versus a 60's average Toyota sedan. Totally outclassed.

QPeeeeee, apparently you are a nerd and dislike the shake rattle, and roll of an ICE engine. Go iron your skirt. Derp, derp, derp!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Into the Night]

The signage was wrong, and I pointed out exactly how with photos of their signage. They were wrong and they knew it wasn't worth the fight I'd give them.

As for charging stations, I can see insurance going up for landlords, issues with broken charging stations, the massive cost of installing them and even getting loans to do so. For example one of the complexes I regularly get called in to do electrical work on was built in the 60's. The wiring is all aluminum and in asbestos sheathed Romex. I understand from the GC that works with the owners, that they can't get loans on the property because much of the construction is so substandard by 2023 code.

The parking at that complex is a combination of owner controlled and public street parking. There isn't enough space on the property for every tenant to park so some park on the street. That would mean even if the owners put in charging stations for tens, maybe hundreds, of thousands of dollars, some of the tenants couldn't charge their cars because they street park.

At least it isn't wire and post!
That old complex sounds like a real nightmare. I imagine the plumbing is just as bad. It might be cheaper to gut or raze the place and rebuild it (depending on the condition of the structure itself).
The landlord isn't going to make money on this one!

 

[Into the Night]

The funniest part is not only is the Corvette FAR more likely to catch fire, but this type of dumb meme is the only way (fake) to compare them as the Tesla just eats the corvette on the track and its not even close.

It is like racing a 60's corvette versus a 60's average Toyota sedan. Totally outclassed.

After the race, you have to spend hours recharging the Tesla while the Corvette just drives away.

 

[Damocles]

You have to do that anyways. Duh. My middle daughter and husband have one in their garage.

The problem comes when there are limited charging stations where you are driving far enough away from home, where they are hard to find. See Post #22.

While I am surprised where I can find charging stations (we have them at Village Inn parking lots in nearby towns) I can understand why folks who live rurally would be a bit worried about where to charge when they take a trip. Some of our more regular trips involve more miles than my batteries would permit, and without total certainty we would be taking chances that I would not be willing to take. I do not want to be stranded somwhere between Pueblo and Manzanola wondering how I am going to get my car to Pueblo, and whether Pueblo has a charging station...

 

[QP!]

QPeeeeee, apparently you are a nerd and dislike the shake rattle, and roll of an ICE engine. Go iron your skirt. Derp, derp, derp!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, sorry LyingFish. I have yet to buy an EV and have had many ICE vehicles with that 'shake, rattle and roll' and I do love it.

BUt that does not mean i have to pretend there is no reasons for OTHERS to want to own an EV.

It is very much a magatard thing to be MAD if people refuse to believe what you do and to want to own things you do not want to own.

 

[Into the Night]

Not sure what you mean by that, but the vast, vast majority of miles driven are the typical work/home/errands trip around town, where EV"S are ideal.

It is actually 'few' scenarios where they are not ideal.

So you advocate spending a lot of money for a 2nd car, used only for local commuting.

Why?

 

[Into the Night]

While I am surprised where I can find charging stations (we have them at Village Inn parking lots in nearby towns) I can understand why folks who live rurally would be a bit worried about where to charge when they take a trip. Some of our more regular trips involve more miles than my batteries would permit, and without total certainty we would be taking chances that I would not be willing to take. I do not want to be stranded somwhere between Pueblo and Manzanola wondering how I am going to get my car to Pueblo, and whether Pueblo has a charging station...

A lot of these charging stations you find at malls are there because the government mandated it. That's fascism.

If EVs are 'so popular', why all the heavy subsidies and mandates?

 

[Into the Night]

No, sorry LyingFish. I have yet to buy an EV and have had many ICE vehicles with that 'shake, rattle and roll' and I do love it.

BUt that does not mean i have to pretend there is no reasons for OTHERS to want to own an EV.

It is very much a magatard thing to be MAD if people refuse to believe what you do and to want to own things you do not want to own.

You are ignoring the heavy subsidies (communism) and the mandates (fascism).

 

[Joe Capitalist]

Yah, I mostly agree. Some vehicles, the Nissan Leaf I believe, only has about 150 mile range. If you don't have a full charge, can't find a charger that's available and compatible, you might be in trouble.

The infrastructure just isn't there, IMO, for EVs to be truly reliable. There are gas stations on every other corner. You might need to drive 15 miles to find a charger and then hope it's not being used.

Most new EVs have at least 300 mile range and I've been driving my Tesla Model Y for over two years and have yet to find a charger that wasn't available.

 

[Joe Capitalist]

I see a light post on the island in the middle of that parking lot. That means there is electricity that has been run to that island, and charging stations could be installed on that island. It would cost a bit more... But there are always improvements necessary when you are a landlord.

The real question is whether these improvements are the improvements that we want as a society? The alt right complaints that there is work involved with keeping society running is just a distraction from the real question.

If apartment dwellers want to drive EVs, apartment owners will accommodate them if they want to stay competitive. And like you said, If electricity is available, charging stations can be built. And electricity is everywhere. In a few years most apartment complexes will have superchargers in their parking lots. No biggie.

 

[Lionfish]

No, sorry LyingFish. I have yet to buy an EV and have had many ICE vehicles with that 'shake, rattle and roll' and I do love it.

BUt that does not mean i have to pretend there is no reasons for OTHERS to want to own an EV.

It is very much a magatard thing to be MAD if people refuse to believe what you do and to want to own things you do not want to own.

QPeeeee, Derp, derp, derp!!!

Take your bitch up with joey wet panties and the governors that have made EV's a mandate.

As for you,

Derp, derp, derp!!!

 

[Nordberg]

While I am surprised where I can find charging stations (we have them at Village Inn parking lots in nearby towns) I can understand why folks who live rurally would be a bit worried about where to charge when they take a trip. Some of our more regular trips involve more miles than my batteries would permit, and without total certainty we would be taking chances that I would not be willing to take. I do not want to be stranded somwhere between Pueblo and Manzanola wondering how I am going to get my car to Pueblo, and whether Pueblo has a charging station...

Your car's computer tells you how many miles you have when you start. Then it shows how many miles you have left as you drive. The computer does not stop people from being stupid though. Many people have run out of gas. That is why they carried approved gas cans in their trunks.
Type in charging stations on your phone an it will show you all them around you.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

While I am surprised where I can find charging stations (we have them at Village Inn parking lots in nearby towns) I can understand why folks who live rurally would be a bit worried about where to charge when they take a trip. Some of our more regular trips involve more miles than my batteries would permit, and without total certainty we would be taking chances that I would not be willing to take. I do not want to be stranded somwhere between Pueblo and Manzanola wondering how I am going to get my car to Pueblo, and whether Pueblo has a charging station...

Exactly. It was a five hour drive for my daughter between where we stayed in Maine, and their home in Vermont. She had to plan the drive around charging stations, which sometimes made the trip longer (mileage-wise). It also made it longer if the charging stations were being used and they had to wait. Charging time also depends on the strength (speed?) of the charging station. The ones in Maine were pathetically slow.

EVs are pretty great but I think we will wait till 1) battery storage time is longer, and 2) there are more stations available. As it is now, we couldn't drive the 680+ miles down to the STL area where our youngest lives, on one charge.