the AR-15 follies: Here we go again!

[SmarterthanYou]

 

[Into the Night]

Fuck no it is not. That is another of your fallacy fallacies. It is a real and could be a serious medical condition.

Define 'mental illness'. Define 'real'. Define 'serious medical condition'. Denial of logic. Use of foreign language.

 

[Into the Night]

The Right To Keep And Bear Arms is a Constitutional right. Driving is a privilege.

No. Driving is also a right. Rights don't come from the Constitution or any other piece of paper.

It is certainly possible to drive vehicles without federal permission. States MUST issue a drivers license if you can show competence to conform to State driving standards (such as use of traffic lights, lane markings, signage, and generally being able to see where you are going and to maneuver the car in common situations. States do not have a choice in the matter, or they wind up defying their own State constitution. Further, interstate travel is mentioned in the Constitution of the United States (Article I, $8,$10).

You do not need a license of any kind to drive on your own land. Kids as young as 8 learn to drive tractors.

In terms of weapons:
I've seen kids that are pretty skilled with a sword (appropriately sized, of course). Yes...it's a real sword. I've seen kids have to defend themselves with deadly force too. Sad, but true. The right of self defense is inherent. It does not come from a piece of paper.

The federal government does get in the way, illegally, of people driving heavy equipment (such as semi trucks, and also has illegal aspects for marine and aircraft licensing. Nothing in the Constitution of the United States ever gave them that authority.
Example: I knew one kid that was 10 that was a pretty good aircraft pilot. The federal government says you have to be 17. Frankly, this kid was a better pilot than many folks with the license. The kid required a licensed pilot in the right seat to fly, of course, but he did quite well. The safety pilot did not have to intervene at all.

Today, that 10 year old kid has grown up, and is currently flying for United Airlines. One of their best pilots.

Some of the best and most skilled equipment operators I know started out as young kids driving tractors on a farm.

 

[Into the Night]

A 3 yr old and a 13 yr old in Detroit found their family's guns and shot themselves today. Business as usual in USA.

A 3 yr old found some matches and burned down a house a short time ago. The fire resulted in a death. Business as usual in the USA.

Seriously folks, take better care of your kids. Don't let them stick forks into outlets, play with matches, chew on mystery pills, get hold of loaded guns, drive your car, play with knives or other sharp objects, fall down the stairs, etc. until they are capable of handling themselves.

 

[Into the Night]

At 13, I was taught to know better.

So was I. I shot my first firearm when I was 12...a .22 rifle. I was taught to respect guns and tell an adult and leave the thing alone if I found one by six.
I was also taught at a young age to not stick forks in electrical outlets and to respect what a match could do.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Stop being a ass, Dutch. The record shows the GOP CONSISTENTLY voting against Dem proposals

Nice excuse. Scroll up, son. I know the Republicans don't give a shit. My argument is the Democrats aren't any better.

You have no argument, genius.....the Dems in the last 20 years have proposed packages that would include comprehensive increased financial support for mental health programs in the USA.....the GOP 86th them in favor of the SOS of private corporate control. A matter of fact, a matter of history. If you can prove otherwise, quit blowing smoke and do so. Facts and logic make your statement absurd. Once again, you live up to your icon self description on this topic. Carry on.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Quote Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
translation: once again, the self proclaimed arrogant asshole got his ass handed to him...and he doesn't like it. Aww, poor baby!

You're free to explain why in detail but I strongly doubt you can do so. All you have is rhetoric and hatred for those you oppose.

translation: Dutch pretends the chronology of the posts doesn't exist, and his denial of reality is enough to go round in circles with him. Typical insipid stubbornness of right wing wonks....or in this case a self proclaimed arrogant asshole.

Laugh, clown, laugh.

 

[Into the Night]

1. You're just another armchair gun expert

You are not an expert at all, obviously.

who doesn't have the cojones to acknowledge the original purpose of the weapons design, bunky.

Which weapon? The AR15? It has many purposes. There is no 'original purpose'. It is an excellent weapon. One of the factors is exactly this reason.

All your bluff and bluster doesn't change the FACT of the mass murders committed by the AR-15 were done by those who CHOSE it for the exact reasons it's advertised by the retailers and yahoos like your self who make promo-videos.

Nope. No one is advertising the AR-15 as a tool to mass murder. You are hallucinating.

And guess what, einstein?

Einstein is a proper noun. It is capitalized.

The 1994 AWB listed "handguns" as well. Something your willfully ignorant ass missed, I guess.

So?

2. The chronology of the posts exposes you to the READERS, dimbulb.

Void argument fallacy.

By your own words, the conclusion is that you don't give a damn about past, present and future victims

He does. You are hallucinating again.

of the previously banned assault weapons

Define 'assault weapon'. Buzzword fallacy.

so long as your silly assed version of the law,

The Constitution of the United States is not 'silly assed'. Obviously, you don't recognize the Constitution of the United States nor the constitution of any State.

statistics

What statistics? Void argument fallacy.

and beliefs are save.

The Constitution is not a belief. It is the law.

TFB if you don't like it.

It is the law whether you like it or not.

...you should've stayed off my thread.

You don't get to censor people you don't like. If you ban users from your threads, someone will likely just start a parallel thread for open discussion and leave you with talking to yourself. You seem to enjoy that.

But you seem to be a bit schizoid in continually responded to threads and posts of a person you claim is not worth your time or thought. Get help.

Psychoquackery.

3. translation:

You don't get to speak for another. You only get to speak for you.

Once exposed, cretins like Casper stamp their widdle feet, blow smoke and then disappear. Works for me.

Since you are responding to his post, you obviously are lying, even to yourself.

 

[Into the Night]

translation: once again, the self proclaimed arrogant asshole got his ass handed to him...and he doesn't like it. Aww, poor baby!

You don't get to speak for anyone else. You only get to speak for you. Assumption of victory fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

I bet you thought you said something pertinent. You are the universal person we should compare everyone to. However, kids shoot each other with their parent's guns every year. https://www.thenationshealth.org/content/49/4/6.3

Blame the parents for not raising their kids and letting them do things like stick forks into outlets, light matches and burn the place down, and play with loaded guns.

 

[Into the Night]

Stop being a ass, Dutch. The record shows the GOP CONSISTENTLY voting against Dem proposals to increase funding and expand access to mental health care....one of the components of the health care packages the GOP wailed would bankrupt the country. A matter of fact, a matter of history.

Like it or not, my little arrogant asshole, your stead fast support of keeping the 1994 AWB off the books and assault weapons like the AR-15 on the shelves just means more the same tragedies we've seen in the last 20 years and more....and that's okay with you because God forbid you're denied an unnecessary weapon to keep you warm at night.

Define 'mental illness'.
Define 'assault weapon'.
The AR-15 is a well made semiautomatic rifle design.
Most mass shootings at schools favor .22 rifles and pistols.

 

[Into the Night]

One of the reasons why I have the little stupe on IA.

You don't. You are responding to him liar.

 

[Into the Night]

IDK, maybe SOME people do but I haven't read or heard any democrat politician wanting to ban all guns,

Biden. Pelosi. Harris. AOC. They have all said exactly that.

the only people claiming that, as they have for 3 decades are teabaggers (www.teaparty.org) of course, only when a democrat takes office.

Nope. They have all said exactly that.

"No. Is charging someone with making bombs for making a bomb threat a violation of Constitutional rights"?

It is legal to make bombs. I do so fairly regularly. It's a hobby of mine. I use mine for firework shows.

No, but is against a federal statue 18 U.S. Code § 1038.

The federal government has no authority to limit any kind of weapon, whether it is a gun, bomb, or anything else. See Article 1, $8, and the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 9th, 10th, and 14th amendments.

which was a point I was trying to make banning high capacity magazine,

Illegal.

military type assault weapons

Define 'military type assault weapon'. Buzzword fallacy.

used by the general public,

All weapons are legal to be owned by the general public. See the 2nd amendment.

without licensing,

Illegal. See the 2nd, 4th, 5th, 9th, 10th, and 14th amendments, and Article I, $8.

without registration,

Illegal. See the same sections of the Constitution.

would not be violating the 2nd amendment.

YES IT WOULD. It also violates the 4th, 5th, 9th, 10th, and 14th amendments and Article I, $8.

 

[Into the Night]

Post 332.

This was your comment "an inability to do certain things that others can is not a sign that someone is nuts. If that were true, YOU should be committed because you can't think straight".

You were agreeing with the NRA, on my comment.

'The NRA insisted the Obama rule infringed on Second Amendment rights to buy guns, even though the regulation specifically targeted people who were diagnosed with mental illness".

Define 'mental illness'. The right to self defense is inherent.

 

[Into the Night]

Then it wasn't NOT ISSUED to you, retard.

He already said it wasn't issued. He described why. You are saying a purchased army weapon is issued, due to your own double negative.

 

[Into the Night]

You have no argument, genius....

In this case, you are correct, but not for the reasons you think.

.the Dems in the last 20 years have proposed packages that would include comprehensive increased financial support for mental health programs in the USA.

Define 'mental health'. What does fascism and communism have to do with it?

....the GOP 86th them in favor of the SOS of private corporate control.

What private corporate control? Of what??

A matter of fact,

Buzzword fallacy. Learn what 'fact' means. 'Fact' does not mean 'Universal Truth' or 'proof'.

a matter of history.

History of what?? Void argument fallacy.

If you can prove otherwise, quit blowing smoke and do so.

Attempted force of negative proof against a void.

Facts and logic make your statement absurd.

You deny logic. You don't know what 'fact' means.

Once again, you live up to your icon self description on this topic. Carry on.

Void topic. Define 'mental health'.

 

[Into the Night]

translation:

You don't get to speak for anyone else. You only get to speak for you.

Dutch pretends the chronology of the posts doesn't exist,

Strawman fallacy to void.

and his denial of reality

Buzzword fallacy. Define 'reality'.

is enough to go round in circles with him.

Void conclusion. Cliche fallacy.

Typical insipid stubbornness of right wing wonks.

Bigotry.

...or in this case a self proclaimed arrogant asshole.

Insult fallacy.

Laugh, clown, laugh.

Belittlement fallacy.

No argument presented.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Milquetoast Macaw likes to parse posts line by line.
He's not content to prove that he doesn't understand an entire post.
He must prove that he doesn't understand even a single sentence.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Milquetoast Macaw likes to parse posts line by line.
He's not content to prove that he doesn't understand an entire post.
He must prove that he doesn't understand even a single sentence.

STFU Commie Cocksucker! How's that for a sentence, hmm?

 

[Nordberg]

America dies not have to allow war weapons to be available in the country.ARs should not be sold to crazy Americans. They make it more dangerous for all living things.