The Beast Revelation

kudzu said:
John of Patmos may not have John the Apostle.. Could have been John the Presbyter.
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there are a number of atheists who argue that.....nobody except other atheists pay any attention to them.......in my view you embarrass yourself by even mentioning such unscholarly tripe......
 
kudzu said:
The Bible's explanation is that they both, at different times, deserted their god and were punished. In reality, it was their own actions that caused their downfall.
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well obviously......their disobedience and idolatry were without question their own actions.......
 
kudzu said:
The Passover Seder didn't really exist until after 70 C.E. 70 years after the god-mans Death, it could not have been ... Jesus died before that partially-prepared-for Passover had begun.

I have always wondered about that. It really makes no sense that the Last Supper was a Passover Seder if the crucified body of Christ had to be taken down before sundown at the beginning of Passover.
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exactly
 
PostmodernProphet said:
and yet, there is no book of the bible named "100 prophets".......or mention of their prophecies......
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King James Bible 1 Kings 18:4
For it was so, when Jezebel cut off the prophets of the LORD, that Obadiah took an hundred prophets, and hid them by fifty in a cave, and fed them with bread and water.)





1 Kings 18:13
Was it not reported to my lord what I did when Jezebel slaughtered the prophets of the LORD? I hid a hundred prophets of the LORD, fifty men to a cave, and I provided them with food and water.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
in Hebrew and most languages of the region at the time, Ba-el (Baal) literally means the "son" of "god"......
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Baal was a title and honorific meaning "lord" in the Northwest Semitic languages spoken in the Levant during antiquity. From its use among people, it came to be applied to gods.

Scholars previously associated the theonym with solar cults and with a variety of unrelated patron deities, but inscriptions have shown that the name Baʿal was particularly associated with the storm and fertility god Hadad and his local manifestations.
 
kudzu said:
King James Bible 1 Kings 18:4
For it was so, when Jezebel cut off the prophets of the LORD, that Obadiah took an hundred prophets, and hid them by fifty in a cave, and fed them with bread and water.)





1 Kings 18:13
Was it not reported to my lord what I did when Jezebel slaughtered the prophets of the LORD? I hid a hundred prophets of the LORD, fifty men to a cave, and I provided them with food and water.
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say, did you notice that none of that contradicted what I posted and you quoted?........the scriptures set forth the words of the prophets called by God......they don't seem to bother with the words of the students at the schools you refer to.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
in Hebrew and most languages of the region at the time, Ba-el (Baal) literally means the "son" of "god"......
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there is no such concept in Judaism as son of god


The Hebrew Bible, compiled and curated over a span of centuries, includes early use of the term in reference to God (known to them as Yahweh), generic use in reference to various Levantine deities, and finally pointed application towards Hadad, who was decried as a false god.


Evidently you cannot read nor understand biblical Hebrew
 
PostmodernProphet said:
those who are atheists......and the Passover was celebrated by the OT Jews.......hundreds of years before the incarnation and death of Christ......
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First, very little, if anything, of the rabbinic Seder practices can be read back to the early part of the first century C.E. Second, Jesus’ Last Supper with his disciples did not take place on the first night of Passover.

There is a real difference between John and the synoptics on this question, and John’s chronology continues to make much more sense to me: Jesus was tried and killed before the holiday began. By Seder time, he was buried.

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https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org...-jesus/jesus-last-supper-passover-seder-meal/
 
PostmodernProphet said:
say, did you notice that none of that contradicted what I posted and you quoted?........the scriptures set forth the words of the prophets called by God......they don't seem to bother with the words of the students at the schools you refer to.......
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Schools for prophets seem to have begun under King Saul.
 
kudzu said:
First, very little, if anything, of the rabbinic Seder practices can be read back to the early part of the first century C.E. Second, Jesus’ Last Supper with his disciples did not take place on the first night of Passover.

There is a real difference between John and the synoptics on this question, and John’s chronology continues to make much more sense to me: Jesus was tried and killed before the holiday began. By Seder time, he was buried.

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https://www.biblicalarchaeology.org...-jesus/jesus-last-supper-passover-seder-meal/
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Jesus is the Passover Lamb
 
kudzu said:
Baal was a title and honorific meaning "lord" in the Northwest Semitic languages spoken in the Levant during antiquity. From its use among people, it came to be applied to gods.
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it could be that it became that.......but as I say Baal is derived from Ba + El which means the son of god.......and please, I don't give a fuck if you agree with me or not.......I can educate you, but I really don't care if you learn........I don't respect you or any other atheist enough for that.....you make your life's work disinformation.....there is no lower calling......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
it could be that it became that.......but as I say Baal is derived from Ba + El which means the son of god.......and please, I don't give a fuck if you agree with me or not.......I can educate you, but I really don't care if you learn........I don't respect you or any other atheist enough for that.....you make your life's work disinformation.....there is no lower calling......
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PMP is right!Atheist trying to discredit the Bible,YHWH,Jesus and the Holy Spirit!
 
guno said:
there is no such concept in Judaism as son of god
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I do not care if you understand Hebrew....I have in fact studied it at the graduate school level, which you have not...you could of course look it up in any Hebrew interlinear online......the name Baal is in fact a derivative of ba (son) and el (god).......you know as little about Judaism as you do Christianity.......I suggest you go back to predicting the demise of white conservatives.......
 
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