The Beast Revelation

kudzu said:
Most prophesies were written after the fact. Prophets weren't fortune tellers... the were analysts and commentators.. a voice.. The conscience of the community..

Warning people that bad things would happened if they didn't clean up their act... any astute observer could have done the same.
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on the other hand, I did tell you Trump was going to win.......
 
Phantasmal said:
The nature of ancient literature as has been explained to you is forthtelling, it isn’t predicting things to be in the future, but how the God of the Bible through his prophets wanted things to be.
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/shrugs......actually there are ample examples of both in scripture........there were predictions of actual events as well as admonitions for turning away from evil activities......
 
kudzu said:
If Malachi was the "last prophet"... then Revelation is null and void..
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not every author in the bible who was given a vision of the future is called a prophet........John is generally venerated as an apostle rather than a prophet.......Peter also was given a vision that led him to accept gentiles into the church.......Paul was given a vision that led him to preach to the gentiles........
 
PostmodernProphet said:
not every author in the bible who was given a vision of the future is called a prophet........John is generally venerated as an apostle rather than a prophet.......Peter also was given a vision that led him to accept gentiles into the church.......Paul was given a vision that led him to preach to the gentiles........
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John of Patmos may not have John the Apostle.. Could have been John the Presbyter.
 
Phantasmal said:
I have no idea what you mean by this. My personal knowledge is derived from reading scholarly articles, books, and studying with priests, rabbis and Protestant ministers who read the manuscripts in the languages in which they were written. Where is your knowledge derived?
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The Holy Spirit
 
milomason said:
Jesus is Lord,came in the role of Passover Lamb,to bring salvation to the world.
Will come again to finish his work.
Malachi 4:5-6 Elijah will come first to prepare the way.
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Elijah was a prophet to the Northern Kingdom around 100 years before Isaiah, who was a prophet to the Southern Kingdom. People often forget the 2 different Kingdoms. After they split both went their different ways and had different beliefs.

The Northern Kingdom worshiped El at their temple in Shiloh, while the Southern Kingdom worshiped Jahweh in Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem.

While neither were never really monotheistic, their Temples were dedicated to different 'gods'.

Elijah's problem was that the northern kings quickly fell into idolatory and worshiped 'Baal' - a Canaanite god - while the southern kings stayed with Jahweh for about 100 years before falling into the same trap.

The Bible's explanation is that they both, at different times, deserted their god and were punished. In reality, it was their own actions that caused their downfall.

Incidentally, the name 'Baal' is used in different senses in the Hebrew OT. Someone who gets angry quickly (Proverbs) or some who is a lord of wisdom (Ecclesiastes).

The name Elias is another way of saying Elijah. Jesus said John came with the spirit and power of Elijah Luke 1.17.
 
milomason said:
Jesus is Lord,came in the role of Passover Lamb,to bring salvation to the world.
Will come again to finish his work.
Malachi 4:5-6 Elijah will come first to prepare the way.
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A number of New Testament scholars—the Jesus Seminar comes to mind—tend to doubt that the Gospels accurately record very much at all about Jesus, with the exception of some of his sayings. Obviously if the Gospels cannot be trusted, then we have no reason to assume that there ever was a Last Supper at all. And if there was no Last Supper, then it could not have taken place on Passover.

The Passover Seder didn't really exist until after 70 C.E. 70 years after the god-mans Death, it could not have been ... Jesus died before that partially-prepared-for Passover had begun
 
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guno said:
A number of New Testament scholars—the Jesus Seminar comes to mind—tend to doubt that the Gospels accurately record very much at all about Jesus, with the exception of some of his sayings. Obviously if the Gospels cannot be trusted, then we have no reason to assume that there ever was a Last Supper at all. And if there was no Last Supper, then it could not have taken place on Passover.

The Passover Seder didn't really exist until after 70 C.E. 70 years after the god-mans Death, it could not have been ... Jesus died before that partially-prepared-for Passover had begun
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The Passover Seder didn't really exist until after 70 C.E. 70 years after the god-mans Death, it could not have been ... Jesus died before that partially-prepared-for Passover had begun.

I have always wondered about that. It really makes no sense that the Last Supper was a Passover Seder if the crucified body of Christ had to be taken down before sundown at the beginning of Passover.
 
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