The Beast Revelation

milomason said:
John said he wasn't Elijah,and then quote first chapter of Malachi.
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https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Malachi+1&version=NIV

How does this fit? Consider the forced conversion of the Edomites.


4 Edom may say, “Though we have been crushed, we will rebuild the ruins.”

But this is what the Lord Almighty says: “They may build, but I will demolish. They will be called the Wicked Land, a people always under the wrath of the Lord. 5 You will see it with your own eyes and say, ‘Great is the Lord—even beyond the borders of Israel!’
 
kudzu said:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Malachi+1&version=NIV

How does this fit? Consider the forced conversion of the Edomites.


4 Edom may say, “Though we have been crushed, we will rebuild the ruins.”

But this is what the Lord Almighty says: “They may build, but I will demolish. They will be called the Wicked Land, a people always under the wrath of the Lord. 5 You will see it with your own eyes and say, ‘Great is the Lord—even beyond the borders of Israel!’
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My mistake ,John the Baptist quoted Malachi 3:1
 
kudzu said:
So Matthew thinks John is Elijah?
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Matthew attributed these words to Jesus, so yes.

Jesus talked of the end times before the death of the apostles, so if Elijah was to come before the end times, then John was the spirit of Elijah.

For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)
 
milomason said:
When John was asked if he was Elijah he said no!
Then quoted the first chapter of Malachi not the last!
Jesus point was John was "the Elijah" of the first coming.
Elijah himself will fulfill Malachi 4:5-6
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Sorry, this makes no sense.
 
Phantasmal said:
Matthew attributed these words to Jesus

Jesus talked of the end times before the death of the apostles, so if Elijah was to come before the end times, then John was the spirit of Elijah.

[FONT="]For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)[/FONT]
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It's simple John the Baptist fulfilled ,Malachi 3:1
Elijah himself will fulfill Malachi 4:5-6
 
milomason said:
That's the quote!
Now is that past or future?
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Malachai wrote about 430 BC..

It gets tricky because the Edomites were not crushed or forcibly converted. They already practiced circumcision anyway... and John Hyrcanus lived about 130 BC.
 
Phantasmal said:
Matthew attributed these words to Jesus, so yes.

Jesus talked of the end times before the death of the apostles, so if Elijah was to come before the end times, then John was the spirit of Elijah.

For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)
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Matthew 17:12




But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands."
 
Phantasmal said:
Matthew attributed these words to Jesus, so yes.

Jesus talked of the end times before the death of the apostles, so if Elijah was to come before the end times, then John was the spirit of Elijah.

[FONT=&]For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and will then repay every man according to his deeds. Truly I say to you, there are some of those who are standing here who will not taste death until they see the Son of Man coming in His kingdom.“ (Matthew 16: 27, 28)[/FONT]
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According to John of Patmos Jesus told him what to write to the 7 Jewish Assemblies in Turkey... and he got the last word after Malachi.
 
milomason said:
At the time Jesus wasn't going to reveal that he came the first time as Passover Lamb.
And that he would come a second time as King of Kings.
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Do you have support for this scripturally? If I recall he revealed he was the Lamb of God to be handed over both in John and Matthew
 
Phantasmal said:
Matthew 17:12




But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands."
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This is nearly 500 years AFTER Malachi.
 
Phantasmal said:
Matthew 17:12




But I tell you, Elijah has already come, and they did not recognize him, but have done to him everything they wished. In the same way the Son of Man is going to suffer at their hands."
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Jesus referred to John as Elijah of the first coming.
John himself quoted Malachi 3:1 referring to himself.But clearly stated he wasn't Elijah,who will fulfill Malachi 4:5-6 at the second coming.
It is a bit confusing,because Jesus couldn't or wouldn't reveal that the coming of the Messiah was two parted,first as Passover Lamb.
Second as King of Kings.To fulfill all remaining prophesies
 
milomason said:
Jesus referred to John as Elijah of the first coming.
John himself quoted Malachi 3:1 referring to himself.But clearly stated he wasn't Elijah,who will fulfill Malachi 4:5-6 at the second coming.
It is a bit confusing,because Jesus couldn't or wouldn't reveal that the coming of the Messiah was two parted,first as Passover Lamb.
Second as King of Kings.To fulfill all remaining prophesies
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You think Jesus is going to be a king on earth?
 
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