The Beast Revelation

kudzu said:
The verse about Satan is in Isaiah.



How you are fallen from heaven,
O morning s ar, son of dawn!
How you are cut down to the ground,
you who laid the nations low! (Isa. 14:12)



The verse about Jesus is in Revelation.


I, Jesus, have sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star. (Rev. 22:16)
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The verse in Isaiah does not address Satan.....it addresses the earthly King of Babylon, just as the text and context describes. ".....that you will take up this proverb against the King of Babylon, and say; How the oppressor has ceased, the golden city ceased." -- Isaiah 14:4. The context of verse 14 and whom it is addressing is quite clear. Satan is never mentioned in Isaiah 14 as being the Morning Star.....the character being addressed is THE King of Babylon.


Why do the scriptures address the King of Babylon and Jesus as being a "Morning Star"? In scripture the powers of government are often addressed in simili type language in portraying kings and people of authority with the lights in the sky....stars, moon, or the sun...etc., Venus is the star being addressed as the morning star, it is the most brilliant and outshines all the lights in the sky and it is the last star/light to remain in the early morning hours...as the sun rises the other stars fade away, only the morning star remaining as the ruler of this time of day. Its all signified or symbolic in nature....but the symbolism is explained quite clear in who is being addressed in Isa. 14.....its the King of Babylon being compared to Venus....the morning star.


So...what God is revealing in scripture through inspiration of the Holy Spirit to the prophets is pointing out that at one time earthly men were the ultimate governing source like the King of Babylon...but today, Jesus Christ is that Bright and Morning Star.....the King of Kings.


The Christ is described as that Bright and Morning Star in another portion of scripture. Jesus is called the morning star in Rev. 2:26-28. The scriptures detail why Jesus is called that star of authority, the brightest in the sky. God raised Jesus up from the dead and seated Him as the King of His church sitting on His throne in heaven, far above all principalities on earth, with power, might and dominion until the end of the ages....until He puts His enemies under His feet. He (Jesus) is above all the names named on earth, He is the King of today, but also the King of tomorrow....most importantly He is the King of His church. -- Eph. 1:20-23


The morning star is just one of many titles given to Jesus as mentioned in Rev. 22:16. Read and comprehend 2 Peter 1:19 in comparing the Morning Star with Jesus residing in a believers heart.

"And so we have the prophetic word confirmed (Jesus was the Messiah of prophecy, if Peter declared it confirmed that meant the prophecy has already been fulfilled)…...which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, UNTIL THE DAY DAWNS AND THE MORNING STAR RISES IN YOUR HEART."


Even "Lucifer" is called a Morning Star....why? Because he is the king of this world as he and his legions go about like a roaring lion devouring those who would fall into his snare baited with lies and deceit....but Jesus now has authority over Satan and death and now it is the Christ that is known as that Bright and Shinning Star that governs all things from heaven.

The only thing that Jesus and Satan have in common? They are both rulers......kings, one is the king of lies and deceit the king of this physical realm (Satan)….the other the Bright and Morning Star the King of Kings with all authority granted to Him to place all things physical under His feet....to rule from Heaven.
 
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Ralph said:
The verse in Isaiah does not address Satan.....it addresses the earthly King of Babylon, just as the text and context describes. ".....that you will take up this proverb against the King of Babylon, and say; How the oppressor has ceased, the golden city ceased." -- Isaiah 14:4. The context of verse 14 and whom it is addressing is quite clear. Satan is never mentioned in Isaiah 14 as being the Morning Star.....the character being addressed is THE King of Babylon.


Why do the scriptures address the King of Babylon and Jesus as being a "Morning Star"? In scripture the powers of government are often addressed in simili type language in portraying kings and people of authority with the lights in the sky....stars, moon, or the sun...etc., Venus is the star being addressed as the morning star, it is the most brilliant and outshines all the lights in the sky and it is the last star/light to remain in the early morning hours...as the sun rises the other stars fade away, only the morning star remaining as the ruler of this time of day. Its all signified or symbolic in nature....but the symbolism is explained quite clear in who is being addressed in Isa. 14.....its the King of Babylon being compared to Venus....the morning star.


So...what God is revealing in scripture through inspiration of the Holy Spirit to the prophets is pointing out that at one time earthly men were the ultimate governing source like the King of Babylon...but today, Jesus Christ is that Bright and Morning Star.....the King of Kings.


The Christ is described as that Bright and Morning Star in another portion of scripture. Jesus is called the morning star in Rev. 2:26-28. The scriptures detail why Jesus is called that star of authority, the brightest in the sky. God raised Jesus up from the dead and seated Him as the King of His church sitting on His throne in heaven, far above all principalities on earth, with power, might and dominion until the end of the ages....until He puts His enemies under His feet. He (Jesus) is above all the names named on earth, He is the King of today, but also the King of tomorrow....most importantly He is the King of His church. -- Eph. 1:20-23


The morning star is just one of many titles given to Jesus as mentioned in Rev. 22:16. Read and comprehend 2 Peter 1:19 in comparing the Morning Star with Jesus residing in a believers heart.

"And so we have the prophetic word confirmed (Jesus was the Messiah of prophecy, if Peter declared it confirmed that meant the prophecy has already been fulfilled)…...which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, UNTIL THE DAY DAWNS AND THE MORNING STAR RISES IN YOUR HEART."


Even "Lucifer" is called a Morning Star....why? Because he is the king of this world as he and his legions go about like a roaring lion devouring those who would fall into his snare baited with lies and deceit....but Jesus now has authority over Satan and death and now it is the Christ that is known as that Bright and Shinning Star that governs all things from heaven.

The only thing that Jesus and Satan have in common? They are both rulers......kings, one is the king of lies and deceit the king of this physical realm (Satan)….the other the Bright and Morning Star the King of Kings with all authority granted to Him to place all things physical under His feet....to rule from Heaven.
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"And so we have the prophetic word confirmed (Jesus was the Messiah of prophecy, if Peter declared it confirmed that meant the prophecy has already been fulfilled)…...which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, UNTIL THE DAY DAWNS AND THE MORNING STAR RISES IN YOUR HEART."

What?
 
kudzu said:
"And so we have the prophetic word confirmed (Jesus was the Messiah of prophecy, if Peter declared it confirmed that meant the prophecy has already been fulfilled)…...which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, UNTIL THE DAY DAWNS AND THE MORNING STAR RISES IN YOUR HEART."

What?
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In order to be accounted in the 2nd resurrection (physical death and final judgment) and not be cast into the lake of fire.....one must have the light of the morning star residing in his/her heart as the Kingdom of God....aka the Church of Jesus Christ is a spiritual kingdom residing within the heart of its citizens. There will be no physical kingdom with the Christ sitting on the throne for a literal 1000 years.....Jesus has been sitting on the throne of His Kingdom for well over 2000 years as we speak....a Kingdom that has grown on this earth starting with the son of a simple carpenter and several of His friends into a spiritual kingdom that has some 2.4 billion citizens to date....that have the morning star rising in their hearts.

"The Kingdom of God (the kingdom that God appointed the Christ to reign over until the final judgment) does not come with observation; nor will they say, "see here!" or "see there!" for indeed the Kingdom of God is within you." -- Luke 17:20-21

Anyone looking for a physical kingdom and a literal 1000 year reign.....have already missed the proverbial boat.

Jesus made it clear.....His Kingdom was not of this earth/world..but there would be those that were standing there listening to the Christ 2000 years ago that would witness the Kingdom of Christ come into being. -- John 18:36, Luke 9:27

Jesus could never reign over a physical kingdom here on earth....especially a kingdom whose throne was located in Jerusalem...why? God placed a curse on the physical lineage from which Jesus came declaring such, "For none of his descendants shall prosper, sitting on the throne of David and ruling any more in Judah." -- Jer. 22:30. Who was this curse placed upon? The evil king Coniah. He was so evil that God placed that curse upon his generations to come.

Jesus was from the lineage of Coniah….aka Jeconiah (Matthew 1:11) therefore Jesus was by curse restricted from ever reigning over any physical kingdom of Judah on earth. Its true that Jesus does reign on King David's throne...but not on earth (Luke 1:32, Acts 2:30).
 
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Ralph said:
In order to be accounted in the 2nd resurrection (physical death and final judgment) and not be cast into the lake of fire.....one must have the light of the morning star residing in his/her heart as the Kingdom of God....aka the Church of Jesus Christ is a spiritual kingdom residing within the heart of its citizens. There will be no physical kingdom with the Christ sitting on the throne for a literal 1000 years.....Jesus has been sitting on the throne of His Kingdom for well over 2000 years as we speak....a Kingdom that has grown on this earth starting with the son of a simple carpenter and several of His friends into a spiritual kingdom that has some 2.4 billion citizens to date....that have the morning star rising in their hearts.

"The Kingdom of God (the kingdom that God appointed the Christ to reign over until the final judgment) does not come with observation; nor will they say, "see here!" or "see there!" for indeed the Kingdom of God is within you." -- Luke 17:20-21

Anyone looking for a physical kingdom and a literal 1000 year reign.....have already missed the proverbial boat.

Jesus made it clear.....His Kingdom was not of this earth/world..but there would be those that were standing there listening to the Christ 2000 years ago that would witness the Kingdom of Christ come into being. -- John 18:36, Luke 9:27

Jesus could never reign over a physical kingdom here on earth....especially a kingdom whose throne was located in Jerusalem...why? God placed a curse on the physical lineage from which Jesus came declaring such, "For none of his descendants shall prosper, sitting on the throne of David and ruling any more in Judah." -- Jer. 22:30. Who was this curse placed upon? The evil king Coniah. He was so evil that God placed that curse upon his generations to come.

Jesus was from the lineage of Coniah….aka Jeconiah (Matthew 1:11) therefore Jesus was by curse restricted from ever reigning over any physical kingdom of Judah on earth. Its true that Jesus does reign on King David's throne...but not on earth (Luke 1:32, Acts 2:30).
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That's what I think too.

There will be no physical kingdom with the Christ sitting on the throne for a literal 1000 years.....Jesus has been sitting on the throne of His Kingdom for well over 2000 years as we speak....a Kingdom that has grown on this earth starting with the son of a simple carpenter and several of His friends into a spiritual kingdom that has some 2.4 billion citizens to date....that have the morning star rising in their hearts.

"The Kingdom of God (the kingdom that God appointed the Christ to reign over until the final judgment) does not come with observation; nor will they say, "see here!" or "see there!" for indeed the Kingdom of God is within you." -- Luke 17:20-21

Anyone looking for a physical kingdom and a literal 1000 year reign.....have already missed the proverbial boat.
 
milomason said:
Deflection,the last chapter of the last book of the Old Testament clearly said Elijah will come first!
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"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and terrible day of Jehovah come. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers; lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." (Malachi 4:5–6)
 
kudzu said:
"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and terrible day of Jehovah come. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers; lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." (Malachi 4:5–6)
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That's the quote!
Now is that past or future?
 
kudzu said:
"Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the great and terrible day of Jehovah come. And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers; lest I come and smite the earth with a curse." (Malachi 4:5–6)
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Matthew 11:13–14 (NASB95)

13 “For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John.
14 “And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come.

 
Phantasmal said:
Matthew 11:13–14 (NASB95)

13 “For all the prophets and the Law prophesied until John.
14 “And if you are willing to accept it, John himself is Elijah who was to come.
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When John was asked if he was Elijah he said no!
Then quoted the first chapter of Malachi not the last!
Jesus point was John was "the Elijah" of the first coming.
Elijah himself will fulfill Malachi 4:5-6
 
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