The bible

Scott

Scott

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So recently, a poster here who I'm not sure if I should mention the name of given Rule 1 sent me a private message. He reminded me to some extent of a group of friendly Jehova witnesses who spent some time trying to convert me to their religion back when I lived in the state of Yucatan, Mexico. So after a few messages, I find that I couldn't respond to him anymore because his mailbox was full. Perhaps he'll make some space in his mailbox soon and I'll be able to send him my response.

But in the meantime, I thought I'd basically give my take on the bible here. In essence, I consider it a mix of history and fiction. I doubt I'd ever be able to prove that any of it is fictional, but I also doubt that anyone would be able to prove that all of is the truth, at least to anyone who doesn't just take it on faith.

Ironically, until reading a book called "The Da Vinci Code", and later watching it as a film, I never really questioned a lot of things that the bible and Christianity said were true. The Da Vinci Code book got the wheels in my mind turning, but it bills itself as a book of fiction, and the movie does as well. What really got me going was when I picked up a copy of one of the books that it used as source material, namely Holy Blood, Holy Grail. Since reading it, I know that it's had its fair share of critics, and even while reading it, there were some passages that I found dubious. Nevertheless, I found it immensely more interesting then what I had previously thought of the bible and christianity as a whole.

As to my own religion, I've been Pantheist ever since I found out that it essentially mirrored beliefs I'd developed on my own before hearing about it.

Anyway, some reference links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da_Vinci_Code

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Blood_and_the_Holy_Grail

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
 
Perhaps they don't sell Mickey Spillane Mike Hammer novels in their neighborhoods.
That's what we read when we were young kids growing up.
 
BidenPresident said:
Nothing is more boring than bible thumpers.
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I've managed to have a few good conversations with them, but what tends to be the stumper is that they seem to think everyone should just take their word for it that the bible is the "word of god".
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Perhaps they don't sell Mickey Spillane Mike Hammer novels in their neighborhoods.
That's what we read when we were young kids growing up.
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I suspect the issue has more to do with what their parents and/or others close to them taught them growing up. My mother was raised catholic but became dissapointed with catholicism before I was even born. My father's father (aka my grandfather on my father's side) was an atheist until very late in life and even then just kind of went for the idea of god without ever really getting too much into the details. I think he liked the idea of pantheism. So father kind of got into mysticism a bit, astrology, and I think he thinks my idea of pantheism might kind of work, but he also likes science a lot, and a lot of scientists are atheist. Still, there's Einstein, who while nominally jewish, also considered himself to be a pantheist of the spinoza branch. For more on Einstein's thought on Spinoza's Pantheism:

https://pantheism.com/about/luminaries/albert-einstein/
 
God exists because the bible says so.
The bible has to be right because it's the word of god.
No circular logic there.
 
People want to make things too complicated.
Matter somehow arrived to destroy the pure, infinite vacuum.

Things have been fucked up to the max ever since.

Simple and as likely to be correct as anything else.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
God exists because the bible says so.
The bible has to be right because it's the word of god.
No circular logic there.
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Yeah, logic doesn't seem to be the strong suit of those who don't question the bible. Reminds me of a line I like from science fiction author Frank Herbert's final Dune novel, Dune: Chapterhouse:

"Religion (emulation of adults by the child) encysts past mythologies: guesses, hidden assumptions of trust in the universe, pronouncements made in search of personal power, all mingled with shreds of enlightenment. And always an unspoken commandment: Thou shalt not question!"


I don't think this is true of all religions, but I think too many have this 'do not question' mentality.
 
Defender of Honor said:
The Bible is worthless without the Holy Spirit to give you the True translation.
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While this Christian Nation preparing for giving thanks in that being Christiananality pedophilia Jesus loves you in & with all their Islamidiotocracy depraved, demented & vile Mohammed pedophilia suicidal super ego True translation....
 
Defender of Honor said:
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Phoenyx said:
Reminds me of a joke:

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While not preparing for turkey day in giving thanks for SCOTUS Rehnquist Bicentennial fabricated Islam misnomer in that Mohammed pedophilia tradition so the miracle of Christiananality pedophilia can rule the earth & destroy the world as the supreme swastika up Uranus of thieving US Constitution Bill of Rights - old glory - old testament -absentee voting ballots arsonists interpretation of "one nation under God with equal justice under law" in that WW II Mengele "Angel of Death" baptize thine eyes by urinations Islamidiotocracy of those crooks on Capital Hill....
 
Phoenyx said:
So recently, a poster here who I'm not sure if I should mention the name of given Rule 1 sent me a private message. He reminded me to some extent of a group of friendly Jehova witnesses who spent some time trying to convert me to their religion back when I lived in the state of Yucatan, Mexico. So after a few messages, I find that I couldn't respond to him anymore because his mailbox was full. Perhaps he'll make some space in his mailbox soon and I'll be able to send him my response.

But in the meantime, I thought I'd basically give my take on the bible here. In essence, I consider it a mix of history and fiction. I doubt I'd ever be able to prove that any of it is fictional, but I also doubt that anyone would be able to prove that all of is the truth, at least to anyone who doesn't just take it on faith.

Ironically, until reading a book called "The Da Vinci Code", and later watching it as a film, I never really questioned a lot of things that the bible and Christianity said were true. The Da Vinci Code book got the wheels in my mind turning, but it bills itself as a book of fiction, and the movie does as well. What really got me going was when I picked up a copy of one of the books that it used as source material, namely Holy Blood, Holy Grail. Since reading it, I know that it's had its fair share of critics, and even while reading it, there were some passages that I found dubious. Nevertheless, I found it immensely more interesting then what I had previously thought of the bible and christianity as a whole.

As to my own religion, I've been Pantheist ever since I found out that it essentially mirrored beliefs I'd developed on my own before hearing about it.

Anyway, some reference links:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Da_Vinci_Code

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Holy_Blood_and_the_Holy_Grail

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantheism
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In a way, yes.

Christianity as a whole is a religion based on the belief that Jesus Christ is precisely who he says he is, namely the Son of God. Christianity (and The Bible that is its holy text) cannot be proven or disproven. It can logically only be accepted as True (or rejected as False) by faith and faith alone.
 
Phoenyx said:
I've managed to have a few good conversations with them, but what tends to be the stumper is that they seem to think everyone should just take their word for it that the bible is the "word of god".
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There is supporting evidence both for and against Christianity being true. The truth of Christianity, however, cannot be proven or disproven. It requires a "leap of faith" to accept or reject Christianity.
 
Phoenyx said:
I suspect the issue has more to do with what their parents and/or others close to them taught them growing up.
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While that is definitely an influence, people can and do have their own experiences in life which will have an effect on what they believe, regardless of how they were raised.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
God exists because the bible says so.
The bible has to be right because it's the word of god.
No circular logic there.
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Of course it's circular reasoning, but there's nothing wrong with that in and of itself.

Christianity (like any other religion) is based on some sort of initial circular argument. Circular arguments can only logically be accepted/rejected on a faith basis, as they cannot be proven true/false.
 
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