The comedy act that they call a tax cut.

Flash said:
You claim they are "not hiring workers" but there has been a net gain of about 12 million jobs since the recession. According to the BLS wages increased by 2.5% in 2017 and 2.3% in 2016. The alternative to trickle down is to have those tax dollars going to the government which has not made good choices about spending our money; so, the alternative to trickle down does not give the poor and middle class more money.
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Well that would make you wrong then, because demand side economics gives the money to the poor AND MIDDLE CLASS , IN FACT THE POORER THE PERSON IS THE BETTER IS THE CHOICE TO GIVE THE MONEY TO BECAUSE THE POORER A PERSON IS THE FASTER HE SPENDS HIS MONEY. So as usual you people have no clue at all.
 
jbander said:
Well that would make you wrong then, because demand side economics gives the money to the poor AND MIDDLE CLASS , IN FACT THE POORER THE PERSON IS THE BETTER IS THE CHOICE TO GIVE THE MONEY TO BECAUSE THE POORER A PERSON IS THE FASTER HE SPENDS HIS MONEY. So as usual you people have no clue at all.
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How does demand side economics give this money to the poor and middle class? Who gives it to them?
 
katzgar said:
I know you've never had a particularly good connection with reality but environmental reviews and lawsuits are expected to hold drilling off literally for decades
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Here is some reality for ya

Trump controls the EPA and is packing the courts. Being it on beeeyotch
 
jbander said:
Look at this comedy response. what a joke
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There is nothing funny about this attack on the American people.

, business say they will pass the savings on to the worker, no they won't, if they can help it.
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No, even business leaders mostly said they won't. Only Republican propagandists and the mindless puppets who are their cult members say that.

They haven't done anything of the sort since 1981. So that is a laugh. He says corporate taxes are the highest in the world, no that's just stupid. I'll give him a tip, tax rates mean nothing anywhere in the world , the effective tax rate is all that counts. ours is in no way the highest. How blind to you have to be to believe that bullshit.
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Quite, and those cult members are.

Ya business needs our help, that is a joke, that should have the whole country laughing. Facts , during the Obama administration, we saw the highest profits in this countries history , not by a little but by a amount that will never be repeated, the highest rate of increase of profits in history and the highest percentage of gross that was profit in history.
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Clearly it's a lie. Yes, they can help business even more, attract other countries' businesses even more, by lowering taxes - but at what cost to the good of the people not only of America, but of the world?

Europe does the right thing, trying to have workers have rights, more vacation, decent salaries - but every time the US makes workers more powerless, it makes it harder for Europe to compete, and is a race to the bottom for employees. Just as third world countries and China and others have pulled jobs from America to their countries.

MY friend you have no clue what your talking about , in fact it is so ridiculous that I just have to laugh. The effective fed personal tax rate in this country is 9.5%. Tell me what you think is fair to live in the richest country in the world.
jbander
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The biggest issue for the country and world today is the move to plutocracy.

It threatens people's lives literally, and quality of life, and democracy. And so many people do not understand the issue.
 
Flash said:
How does demand side economics give this money to the poor and middle class? Who gives it to them?
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The how isn't part of the definition of demand-side economics, but the principle of doing so.

But there are a lot of hows.

They're through everything from the tax rates, to government programs (e.g., Bernie's free public tuition), to strengthening the power of unions who gain rights and higher wages for workers.

We don't have to look further than Europe to see how it can be done, where worker protections and benefits are higher - we are threatening their ability to provide that with these anti-worker low taxes on corporations, it's a race to the bottom.
 
Nordberg said:
Of course giving tax breaks to the poor would help the economy. They spend everything they get on survival. They create demand. The alternative is not give it to the government. It is to give it to the masses. That would supercharge the economy.
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The Republican vision for the future is slave labor and plutocracy. And be moving that direction in the US, they pull the countries with the best treatment for workers down, like Europe, because of a race to the bottom.

They want workers to be powerless, poor, ignorant about politics (fed with the plutocrat propaganda like Fox News) - and they're happy for many to be killed by poverty as we need fewer workers for the country's needs. It's all about the rich.
 
Craig234 said:
The biggest issue for the country and world today is the move to plutocracy.

It threatens people's lives literally, and quality of life, and democracy. And so many people do not understand the issue.
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I know I don't....why don't you explain what a "move to plutocracy" looks like and where you see it in America today.......
 
Nordberg said:
Trickle down does not work for the people. It is a gift to the plutocrats though. Corporate profits are at all time highs and they are not raising salaries or hiring workers. That is caused by demand. Giving money to those who already have a lot, will not impact the people. Giving money to the poor and middle class will create demand and jobs. It would put pressure on those who need more workers to pay more.

Think about it. If you have a company and are meeting all your clients expectations, why would you hire people that you do not need. That would be bad business. Tax cut, you have more money, but not more work.
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If a worker that has $8/hour skills is doing a job that pays $8/hour, why should they get paid more? Interesting that you use the word "Give". Whatever happened to if you want more, you EARN more. Are you one of those that thinks someone should get paid a certain minimum amount because they exist?
 
jbander said:
Well that would make you wrong then, because demand side economics gives the money to the poor AND MIDDLE CLASS , IN FACT THE POORER THE PERSON IS THE BETTER IS THE CHOICE TO GIVE THE MONEY TO BECAUSE THE POORER A PERSON IS THE FASTER HE SPENDS HIS MONEY. So as usual you people have no clue at all.
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Give? What about EARN?

Seems idiots like you never learn. You think giving people something they didn't earn will motivate them to want to do better and do for themselves. Sad part is the money you want to give them belongs to someone else. If you want to give people something they didn't earn, give them your money not someone else's.

So many of you lefties want to give someone else something that doesn't belong to you then take credit as if it came from your pocket.
 
Nordberg said:
Of course giving tax breaks to the poor would help the economy. They spend everything they get on survival. They create demand. The alternative is not give it to the government. It is to give it to the masses. That would supercharge the economy.

As far as jobs, here are the facts. https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS12300000 Our employment was at a far higher level before the Bush crash in 2008. As the chart shows we are still far below that level.
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What tax breaks to the poor? If you're already paying ZERO percent, how much of a tax break can you get?

For the 2016 tax year, a family of four (2 adults, 2 children) didn't pay a dime in income taxes until the family income was $48,300 and then it was ONE DOLLAR. That's far from poor and they didn't' pay income taxes. For the simple minded like you, that means a family making half that which is considered poor didn't pay any either. On top of that, the poor family got back thousands through handouts like EITC while also receiving social welfare handouts.
 
Nordberg said:
Yes factoring in inflation. If you have paid attention at all to the min wage argument, that to keep it even with the 1960s, it would have to be over 22 bucks an hour. So the fact is , the people on min wage are taking constant wage cuts. https://www.forbes.com/sites/timwor...rack-average-labor-productivity/#5fe492744afa Please uneducated don't argue incident and think it proves the whole case. And don't ask stupid questions like that.
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If the only job you're capable of doing now is the same one you could do 40 years ago related to the skills you offer, you don't deserve $7.25/hour. You've chosen to not better yourself in any way and there are consequences for that.
 
jbander said:
Well that would make you wrong then, because demand side economics gives the money to the poor AND MIDDLE CLASS , IN FACT THE POORER THE PERSON IS THE BETTER IS THE CHOICE TO GIVE THE MONEY TO BECAUSE THE POORER A PERSON IS THE FASTER HE SPENDS HIS MONEY. So as usual you people have no clue at all.
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WOW!!!!! You sound like Nancy Pelosi "Welfare is good for the economy". We are so glad to have someone like you that is smarter than all the economists to teach us how economics works.

Please show me where trickle up economics has worked?

Oh wait we had 8 years of it under Obama yea the economy really soared then didn't it.
 
Craig234 said:
The how isn't part of the definition of demand-side economics, but the principle of doing so.

But there are a lot of hows.

They're through everything from the tax rates, to government programs (e.g., Bernie's free public tuition), to strengthening the power of unions who gain rights and higher wages for workers.

We don't have to look further than Europe to see how it can be done, where worker protections and benefits are higher - we are threatening their ability to provide that with these anti-worker low taxes on corporations, it's a race to the bottom.
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Taxing upper income groups to give to others through government programs is still trickle down--it trickles from those paying taxes to the government bureaucracy to beneficiaries. Depending on government programs for a higher standard of living is not good economics but dependency. If a rich guy buys a yacht, clothes, cars, and homes, he is providing good paying jobs to those who produce, sell, and maintain those products. Not only are the workers getting higher pay but they are not dependent on government taxing others to produce their prosperity. Those jobs also result in demand for more products from those workers; so, it is a much better way to create demand than taking from one group to give to another.
 
Does not mean they will drill, if that is what you want. When energy companies buy the rights to drill they increase their net worth. Like the Gulf. There are lots of area that oil companies have bought drilling rights to and are not exploiting. There is a glut of oil and it is diminishing as an energy source. However when listing their worth, companies include ares they have rights to.

The mandate will just result in higher prices for healthcare. If you believe you are getting a big tax break, you will just hand it to an insurance company. Those without ,will go to the most expensive care possible, the emergency room. The tax payers will pay for that too. can be as many as 13 million people added to uninsured list. That a victory to you?
 
Obama had to save the economy from the disastrous effects of Bush. Do you remember 2008? Were you still in grade school? Obama took what was called in impeding second great depression and saved it though government spending. It is simple. Putting money in the hands of people who will spend it in the economy creates a multiplier effect. It gives the economy a boost. Do you not know how far Obama brought the economy up?? Or do you just watch Fox Gnus. Every dime in the hands of the average person has a multiplier effect . It creates lots more demand and helps a lot more people. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2014/1/17/1269894/-The-Economic-Case-for-Welfare
 
So you think leftys don't work? That is ridiculous. Their money goes where yours goes, but they don't think it should go to the top 1 percent. Hard for you to understand?
 
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