The deal I can see between Trump and DeSantis

I see less than zero chance of that happening. I don't see any upside for DeSantis. If they run and lose that's a big blow. A big part of his appeal to many on the right is he supports Trump like policies without the personal baggage of Trump. As VP he would spend his time defending Trump. Again, no upside. Instead he stays Governor of Florida and doesn't get tainted by Trump, like he would if he ran with him, until he's ready to run for President.

But for the sake of discussion, if Trump runs again why would he pick DeSantis? Trump lost in '20 largely because he lost (white) suburban women. Is DeSantis going to bring those voters back? It doesn't make sense to me bring someone deemed Trump Lite to make up for Trump's deficiencies.

Good parse," Trump lite," going to use that one, and you are correct, besides, two people on the same ticket from and representing the same area can't be a politically beneficial move
 
I am flat telling you that many sane folks will flat leave that party if they put Trump back up there. The same folks that were angry when the national party changed the rules making whatever Trump wanted "the platform" to be into the the platform of the party. No one person should be the center of any party, there should be a core of beliefs that the standard bearer is expected to uphold, not a set of "rules" that the most popular person gets to dictate.

Trump should not be the nominee. Not only has he proven that even Brandon can beat him, the republicans that remained would have to sell their frickin' soul to pretend that the party had anything to do with their core values anymore.
 
I see less than zero chance of that happening. I don't see any upside for DeSantis. If they run and lose that's a big blow. A big part of his appeal to many on the right is he supports Trump like policies without the personal baggage of Trump. As VP he would spend his time defending Trump. Again, no upside. Instead he stays Governor of Florida and doesn't get tainted by Trump, like he would if he ran with him, until he's ready to run for President.

But for the sake of discussion, if Trump runs again why would he pick DeSantis? Trump lost in '20 largely because he lost (white) suburban women. Is DeSantis going to bring those voters back? It doesn't make sense to me bring someone deemed Trump Lite to make up for Trump's deficiencies.

Great analysis!
 
I am flat telling you that many sane folks will flat leave that party if they put Trump back up there. The same folks that were angry when the national party changed the rules making whatever Trump wanted "the platform" to be into the the platform of the party. No one person should be the center of any party, there should be a core of beliefs that the standard bearer is expected to uphold, not a set of "rules" that the most popular person gets to dictate.

Trump should not be the nominee. Not only has he proven that even Brandon can beat him, the republicans that remained would have to sell their frickin' soul to pretend that the party had anything to do with their core values anymore.

If I remember correctly, pretty much the same reason we heard back in the 2015 GOP primary why Trump would never be the nominee

And the irony is that the parties voicing them were often one of the first to support him as soon as he showed headwind
 
If I remember correctly, pretty much the same reason we heard back in the 2015 GOP primary why Trump would never be the nominee

And the irony is that the parties voicing them were often one of the first to support him as soon as he showed headwind

I will tell you now that I will not vote for him. Before he was the nominee I thought he was a joke and wasn't much of a republican, I only voted for him then because I believed that he was BARELY better than Hillary.

Right now we know that he lost to a basement dwelling dementia patient who can't stop himself from going off script and screwing up the one thing the presidency is supposed to be for (foreign relations). The man that beat Trump:

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I see less than zero chance of that happening. I don't see any upside for DeSantis. If they run and lose that's a big blow. A big part of his appeal to many on the right is he supports Trump like policies without the personal baggage of Trump. As VP he would spend his time defending Trump. Again, no upside. Instead he stays Governor of Florida and doesn't get tainted by Trump, like he would if he ran with him, until he's ready to run for President.

But for the sake of discussion, if Trump runs again why would he pick DeSantis? Trump lost in '20 largely because he lost (white) suburban women. Is DeSantis going to bring those voters back? It doesn't make sense to me bring someone deemed Trump Lite to make up for Trump's deficiencies.

I'll throw another one out there for you. How do you see a Trump vs. DeSantis campaign for the nom?
 
First I believe either one would beat Biden or any other dim after this train wreck of an administration.

Both would like to run in 2024 and they’d have to be considered the front runners at this point.

Would DeSantis acquiesce to Trump and be the VP running mate with the express intent of running for president after 4 years since Trump would be ineligible then?

:bigthink:

Trump will be on criminal charges, he is not running.
 
I believe that the only reason Trump is not on charges now is that the Revolution has instituted a tactical delay, to make it harder for opposition to launch an attack on the WOKE religion. The longer people believe that Trump will run the fewer people will come forward to take on the mission leading the revolt against WOKE.
 
Great analysis!

I am flat telling you that many sane folks will flat leave that party if they put Trump back up there. The same folks that were angry when the national party changed the rules making whatever Trump wanted "the platform" to be into the the platform of the party. No one person should be the center of any party, there should be a core of beliefs that the standard bearer is expected to uphold, not a set of "rules" that the most popular person gets to dictate.

Trump should not be the nominee. Not only has he proven that even Brandon can beat him, the republicans that remained would have to sell their frickin' soul to pretend that the party had anything to do with their core values anymore.
Another one!
 
I will tell you now that I will not vote for him. Before he was the nominee I thought he was a joke and wasn't much of a republican, I only voted for him then because I believed that he was BARELY better than Hillary.

Right now we know that he lost to a basement dwelling dementia patient who can't stop himself from going off script and screwing up the one thing the presidency is supposed to be for (foreign relations). The man that beat Trump:

So, you "will not vote for him," meaning you will then vote for, or throw away your vote helping, the guy who you think is a "basement dwelling dementia patient?"
 
I'll throw another one out there for you. How do you see a Trump vs. DeSantis campaign for the nom?

I honestly can’t call that one. You have a certain element of Republicans that are ride or die Trump. You have another contingent that voted for Trump twice and support him but are now over him and have moved on to DeSantis. DeSantis seems to be gaining momentum and Trump losing his but no idea how to handicap that right now.
 
So, you "will not vote for him," meaning you will then vote for, or throw away your vote helping, the guy who you think is a "basement dwelling dementia patient?"

I won't "throw my vote away" I will vote for someone other than him. Though I am sure many Rs would simply stay at home. We already know that this guy is such a clown he will lose to a guy who is barely running for the job. That's frickin' very unpopular, that's what that is. I was willing to vote for the "least destructive" candidate when HillBillary was running.

If Hillary ran against Trump in 2024 I'd probably vote for Trump again. I'd hate it... but he's still better than her.
 
I honestly can’t call that one. You have a certain element of Republicans that are ride or die Trump. You have another contingent that voted for Trump twice and support him but are now over him and have moved on to DeSantis. DeSantis seems to be gaining momentum and Trump losing his but no idea how to handicap that right now.

Wasn't necessarily looking for a handicap. I just wonder if Trump would behave his usual pugilistic self against DeSantis. After all DeSantis is almost sorta kinda like Trump's protégé without the extreme negatives, e.g., stupid tweets at all hours of the night, picking fights for no apparent reason. I could go on as you know.
 
First I believe either one would beat Biden or any other dim after this train wreck of an administration.

Both would like to run in 2024 and they’d have to be considered the front runners at this point.

Would DeSantis acquiesce to Trump and be the VP running mate with the express intent of running for president after 4 years since Trump would be ineligible then?

:bigthink:
I hope not!
 
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