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Penderyn said:
They were shooting against their own army, sent by their own king to keep order, obviously, to help the French enemy. The patriots mostly went to Canada. France went bankrupt supporting the traitors, causing their own Revolution.
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Try English. It works better.

You should probably read up on the Revolutionary wars, both here and in France, and their causes.
 
Micawber said:
The amendment was promulgated by anti federalists worried that a strong federal military would take over the 13 colonies.
The need to maintain a well regulated militia is the legislative intent. For two hundred years nobody even invoked the law.
The NRA committed a fraud on the people and supplanted its will in the Court in Heller. Every prior decision was contrary
and consistent with the 2nd amendment.

There was no organic individual and unfettered right to own guns from the 2nd amendment. No state with a state militia has ever called up
its militia to fight the federal government. The construction accepted by the majority
in Heller is wrongly decided, a repayment made by unscrupulous justices and a history ignoring creation, a total victory of gun manufacturers.
Because of it the United States has been drenched in a blood bath.
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No court has the authority to change the Constitution of the United States.

The 2nd amendment discusses TWO rights, not one. Both are related to each other. Both involve the right of self defense.

The first portion discusses the right of a free State to defend itself. It does that by organizing militias from the population of that State. The unorganized militia is the people of that State. A State has the right to defend itself simply by existing as a free State.

The next portion discusses the right of the people to defend themselves. That right is in inherent. It does not come from the Constitution. All living things have the right to defend themselves to the best of their ability. The 2nd amendment directs the federal and State governments to not mess with that right. The people are specifically mentioned in the 2nd amendment for a reason.

Heller cannot change that. No court can change the Constitution of the United States or change the inherent rights of people or of the States.

I would rather have the blood bath than living under a dictatorship. I would rather people be free to determine their own destinies rather than have government run their lives for them.

If you try to take guns away, you WILL have a bloodbath. War would become inevitable.
 
Micawber said:
The amendment was promulgated by anti federalists worried that a strong federal military would take over the 13 colonies.
The need to maintain a well regulated militia is the legislative intent. For two hundred years nobody even invoked the law.
The NRA committed a fraud on the people and supplanted its will in the Court in Heller. Every prior decision was contrary
and consistent with the 2nd amendment.

There was no organic individual and unfettered right to own guns from the 2nd amendment. No state with a state militia has ever called up
its militia to fight the federal government. The construction accepted by the majority
in Heller is wrongly decided, a repayment made by unscrupulous justices and a history ignoring creation, a total victory of gun manufacturers.
Because of it the United States has been drenched in a blood bath.
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No amount of "subjective" WISHING, PROPAGANDA, OR COMMON LAW can or will change history and the 2nd amendment right of the people to maintain their right of self protection. There are simple....and few methods to remove weapons from THE PEOPLE just as every other fascist regime on earth have done before placing a totalitarian government into place. 1. Amend the US CONSTITUTION and rescind this right via SUPER MAJORITY 75% ratification process. 2. Attempt a Coupe d'état (failing as we speak) 3. Revolution. (which will never happen...as per the logic of left wing fear...the very reason the left demands the removal of personal ownership of weapons by US CITIZENS)

Conclusion: Just another left wing TROLL flapping their gums to hear the noise produced in order to seek accolade from their fellow fascists. :bigthink:

Make more laws to place more law abiding citizens into the arena of unprotected danger (making laws that only law abiding citizens follow....such are RED FLAG LAWS...etc.,) What do you get? hundreds of thousands of gun deaths over a decade long period in cities such as Chicago, NY, Houston, LA, Atlanta...etc.) The stats are there....the more you attempt to regulate the 2nd...the more innocent deaths it produces. You leftists are killing our children in schools, killing innocent men, women and children while the worship, killing innocent children at play in drive by shootings....etc.

You are not part of the solution.....you are the originator of the PROPLEM, a lack of at home instruction in MORALITY. The village and or BIG BROTHER make piss poor parents.
 
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It is a bit sad that the gun-merchants can so control the minds of the Make Americans Mugs Again movement. It is like trying to discuss things with people who are truly convinced they are Napoleon. We can only sympathise very deeply with the sane Americans and hope their children get out safely!
 
Penderyn said:
It is a bit sad that the gun-merchants can so control the minds of the Make Americans Mugs Again movement. It is like trying to discuss things with people who are truly convinced they are Napoleon. We can only sympathise very deeply with the sane Americans and hope their children get out safely!
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Just continue to take the right of self protection away from the law abiding citizen....and you will continue to lead more innocent, men, women and children to an early grave. No one is safe when the criminals have access to firearms and the law abiding do not. This truth is exampled all around the world. Attempting to blame the weapons manufacturing or those who legally sell guns for the acts that criminals engage is like attempting to blame the UNION WORKERS of the UAW for the deaths produced each year via automobiles. Left wing logic and reason is like attempting to mix water and oil. :bigthink:

Again: Promoting lawlessness....suggesting that you have the right to ignore the constitutional rule of law contained in the 2nd amendment will never remove this right from the people. Why are all leftist proponents of LAWLESSNESS? Anytime the left can't example success in altering the US RULE of law through LEGAL MEANS....at the legislative level of government through REPRESENTATION of the people's voice......they attempt to promote lawlessness and place radical judges into power to get their agenda though via the Judicial Branch of Government (unelected, never represented, hired CIVIL POLITICAL appointees).
 
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Ralph said:
Just continue to take the right of self protection away from the law abiding citizen....and you will continue to lead more innocent, men, women and children to an early grave. No one is safe when the criminals have access to firearms and the law abiding do not. This truth is exampled all around the world. Attempting to blame the weapons manufacturing or those who legally sell guns for the acts that criminals engage is like attempting to blame the UNION WORKERS of the UAW for the deaths produced each year via automobiles. Left wing logic and reason is like attempting to mix water and oil. :bigthink:
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Killing people protects nobody - it just kills people. Most people get rid of the bang-bangs and have laws.
 
Penderyn said:
Killing people protects nobody - it just kills people. Most people get rid of the bang-bangs and have laws.
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Indeed....KILLING THE RIGHT PEOPLE (criminals that would kill for prophet or insanity) protects the innocent, just as the US RULE OF LAW in this Representative Republic intended. In this REPUBLIC "MOST PEOPLE (wink wink) are law abiding citizens and follow the rule of law....they are not radical fascists that attempt to harm the innocent by promoting LAWLESSNESS. The 2nd amendment indeed is unique to the United States.....and one of the reasons that the US has stood for almost 250 being governed by a simple 8 page document (THE CONSTITUTION) that guarantees the right of governing is reserved for the PEOPLE/STATES....not some totalitarian central government. The "vast majority" of people being murdered via gun violence are located in progressive liberal....SOCIALIST cities and states that have attempted to regulate the 2nd amendment....only to remove the protective barrier of the law abiding that has resulted in the deaths of many law abiding men, women, and children, in schools, in churches, on the streets.....PEOPLE such as you have served up the innocent on a silver platter to the wolves of the criminal underworld that OBEY NO LAWS.

Look around.....the world economy is on the verge of collapse while the US is has a booming economy......citizens of the world attempt every day to enter the United States of American to take advantage of the "UNIQUENESS" and its personal guarantees of liberty and freedom to choose.

As long as this Republic Stands....the 2nd amendment will stand. Thus the drum beat of the fascist socialists to REMOVE that grantee of personal protection. ;)

You sound muck like all other fascists. You attempt to take advantage of these personal freedoms to change the USA into a shithole nation such as all the immigrants are attempting to flee in order to seek freedom and liberty here in this nation protected via the 2nd amendment. Enjoy your SHITHOLE....but don't expect "OTHERS...wink, wink" to purchase the Bullshit you are attempting to sell wholesale.....THE PEOPLE of the US are not as think as you stupid they are comrade.:bigthink:
 
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Best get rid of guns and stop killing anybody, surely? As in my own family, the only people who go to the 'States are those who can't manage to get anywhere at home and are obsessed with money, because it is the world centre of capitalism. What on earth has that to do with having your incredible murder rate?
 
Penderyn said:
Best get rid of guns and stop killing anybody, surely? As in my own family, the only people who go to the 'States are those who can't manage to get anywhere at home and are obsessed with money, because it is the world centre of capitalism. What on earth has that to do with having your incredible murder rate?
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Indeed....the nail on the head. You have revealed your agenda.....remove the 2nd, and remove capitalism. Good day.....COMRADE. :laugh: I suggest you go tell the good people of Cuba, China (Hong Kong), VENEZUELA....just how great socialism is...…...:bigthink:

No one (in their right mind)….wants or needs to be "equally" impoverished. When you bring down the wage payer.....you bring down the wage earner, as has been directly experienced all around the world as there is not one example world wide of any open border Socialist (workers of the world unite) Nation ever having found success. The greatest failures to date? THE "FORMER" USSR.....and the SOCIALIST party of Germany better know as the NAZI party, that hated capitalism with a vengeance. ;)
 
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