The faux Edwards "hypocrisy" nonsense...

tinfoil said:
rich guy makes less (by paying more taxes), rich guy has less money to invest (start new business, hire the poor)

You have to be willfully ignorant to not understand this.

Now let's try something.
Why don't you tell us how higher taxes HELP the economy and the poor?
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Umm by developiong business parks to attract new jobs. Build / improve roads so new businesses will locate there and have easy transport for their employees and materials in and finished goods out.
And of course higher taxes can be used for lots of social programs to help the truely needy.

Also to to be able to give tax cuts to attract new businesses, not individuals.

Pay for public works projects such as TVA that enables businesses to have available electricity to operate there.

build parks and suck to attract tourism industry.

and many more ways.
 
Welfare programs obviously never help the economy.

Taking citizens money and sending it off to corporations will boost your GDP per capita, but it will all be going to corporations.
 
Take Singapore as a case in point. Great economy which no one but the uber-rich benefits from. They're people are highly taxed and the money is all sent off to the hot industry of the week. The people have to work until they're 80 to make ends meet and live like they're in a third world nation.

But the economies great!
 
uscitizen said:
Umm by developiong business parks to attract new jobs. Build / improve roads so new businesses will locate there and have easy transport for their employees and materials in and finished goods out.
And of course higher taxes can be used for lots of social programs to help the truely needy.

Also to to be able to give tax cuts to attract new businesses, not individuals.

Pay for public works projects such as TVA that enables businesses to have available electricity to operate there.

build parks and suck to attract tourism industry.

and many more ways.
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Pretty much.

Its not rocket science to understand that states and cities that invest in public infrastruture, education, and people are generally the most successful. And you're right about tax incentives. That's part of the mix to attract business. But, Paris Hilton and George Soros don't need their individual taxes cut. At least not while we have a ten trillion dollar deficit, and a trillion dollar Bush War.
 
uscitizen said:
Umm by developiong business parks to attract new jobs. Build / improve roads so new businesses will locate there and have easy transport for their employees and materials in and finished goods out.
And of course higher taxes can be used for lots of social programs to help the truely needy.

Also to to be able to give tax cuts to attract new businesses, not individuals.

Pay for public works projects such as TVA that enables businesses to have available electricity to operate there.

build parks and suck to attract tourism industry.

and many more ways.
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All of these are local taxes and are very likely NOT to be income taxes. Some of it may be state income tax, but definitely not Federal. Most of them would be funded through local sales taxes and not direct punitive taxes on the rich people who would move in.

Also to get new businesses to move in they would be given a pass on a few years of those taxes...

This is incomparable.
 
Damocles said:
All of these are local taxes and are very likely NOT to be income taxes. Some of it may be state income tax, but definitely not Federal. Most of them would be funded through local sales taxes and not direct punitive taxes on the rich people who would move in.

Also to get new businesses to move in they would be given a pass on a few years of those taxes...

This is incomparable.
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Ok on that tack, since jobs are made on the state and local level then the cutting of federal income taxes creating jobs is a myth then, right ?
 
edwards is big with the uneducated laborers and the limosine liberals that get off on feeling sorry for the haven't tried crowd.
No wonder usc and Berkley Boy are in line first.
 
Topspin said:
edwards is big with the uneducated laborers and the limosine liberals that get off on feeling sorry for the haven't tried crowd.
No wonder usc and Berkley Boy are in line first.
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Umm maybe we care for someone besides ourselves spinner ?
 
uscitizen said:
Ok on that tack, since jobs are made on the state and local level then the cutting of federal income taxes creating jobs is a myth then, right ?
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No, then the businesses have more money to invest in the infrastructure of their company, locally. To move into, say a city with a new ballpark. To buy more cars for their employees, to buy more printers for their employees... on and on, round and round goes the economy. One hand washes the other.
 
Not really damo.............

Damocles said:
No, then the businesses have more money to invest in the infrastructure of their company, locally. To move into, say a city with a new ballpark. To buy more cars for their employees, to buy more printers for their employees... on and on, round and round goes the economy. One hand washes the other.
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You work for At&T a really big monopoly...akin to the old Hughes/Summa Corp....They usually pay a token $500.00 toward their taxes...after all the loopholes they usually get a larger than life refund...are you now saying the CEO'S pass on the raises to the employees...I think not!
 
THE EFFECTS OF THE CAPITAL GAINS AND DIVIDEND TAX CUTS
ON THE ECONOMY AND REVENUES:
Four Years Later, a Look at the Evidence


http://www.cbpp.org/7-10-07tax.htm

This is a very interesting, albeit, left of center, report on capital gains tax cuts.

What do you think of this analysis Top?
 
Damocles said:
No, then the businesses have more money to invest in the infrastructure of their company, locally. To move into, say a city with a new ballpark. To buy more cars for their employees, to buy more printers for their employees... on and on, round and round goes the economy. One hand washes the other.
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Again how do businesses get money from stock trading after the origional stock is bought the first time ?

credit yes and the value of their remaining held stock rises but the trade itself puts no money in the businneses pocket does it ?

all these business experts on here with degrees and no one seems to be able to answer that question....
 
Battleborne said:
You work for At&T a really big monopoly...akin to the old Hughes/Summa Corp....They usually pay a token $500.00 toward their taxes...after all the loopholes they usually get a larger than life refund...are you now saying the CEO'S pass on the raises to the employees...I think not!
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There is a minimum that they must pay, you are about two decades too late for this one. It was fixed long ago.
 
uscitizen said:
Again how do businesses get money from stock trading after the origional stock is bought the first time ?

credit yes and the value of their remaining held stock rises but the trade itself puts no money in the businneses pocket does it ?

all these business experts on here with degrees and no one seems to be able to answer that question....
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Again, you spoke of local taxes. Anyway, if they do not have to pay as much on earnings companies can reinvest or pay dividends. Dividends are taxed, the government gets more money. Shareholders have more to spend. Investment is also spending, just as putting money into savings accounts is spending. The only way to keep yourself from actually spending and helping the economy is to either give it to the government, or to stuff it under a bed.

As stock values rise the companies also get better loan deals, allowing increases in expenditures, increasing their ability to hire lazy guys for $75/hour.
 
Socratese, that's some weak ass shit. the best the turbo-libs can do is below average growth from the average recovery. I call that garbage.:clink:
 
USC you could not pass an econ 101 class. your question shows you total ignorance on the subject.
 
uscitizen said:
Keep up damo I am talking on two tracks here.

U R starting to sound more like Dano every day :)
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And I answered both of the tracks. Regardless of whether I "sound like Dano" allowing corporations to invest more of their money allows them to create more jobs. If such wasn't the case we could just tax 100% of revenues that are not dividend expenditures and just collect "tons of money".

Even the D Party realizes that there is a reasonable level of taxation. The argument is where that limit is.
 
Topspin said:
Socratese, that's some weak ass shit. the best the turbo-libs can do is below average growth from the average recovery. I call that garbage.:clink:
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Umm you said it below average growth from an average recovery ???


I sure am glad you have it all figured out.
 
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