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For those who predict that the American experiment can't last, and who worry the social fabric is disintegrating at a time of rising political division, it's worth remembering that back when the ink had barely dried on the Constitution, the Founding Fathers were deeply pessimistic about the future of the country they had created.

Alexander Hamilton called the Constitution a "frail and worthless fabric."

George Washington lamented the growth of political factions.

John Adams thought a lack of civic virtue doomed the republic.

Jefferson watched sectional divisions between North and South with horror, and said that the "sacrifice" made "by the generation of '76" was "useless" because it would be "thrown away by the unwise and unworthy passions of their sons." "My only consolation," he wrote, "is to be that I live not to weep over it."
 
I was trying to figure out a way share this unique perspective. I wanted to wait but the misrepresentation about what some people want regarding our country and its future made this a good first opportunity.

I will likely share this multiple times because it makes perfect sense to me.

*“Whenever I hear white Americans say “my family had nothing to do with slavery, so why should I apologize?” I think of Willy Brandt. Willy Brandt was Germany’s Chancellor from 1969 to 1974. In 1970, he made an historic visit to Poland. Brandt came to the site of the Warsaw Ghetto—an open-air walled prison where the Nazis forced Jews to live before “liquidating” it in 1943. Brandt came to acknowledge Germany’s culpability in the murder of 3 million Polish Jews—90% of the country’s Jewish population and nearly half of the 6 million Jews killed and burned to ash by the Nazis. Brandt was there to lay a wreath. But as he approached the memorial, he fell to his knees in anguish. It was an act of deep humility and courage. At the time, there were older Germans who hated it. Who saw it as a sign of weakness. Brandt’s gesture could not bring back 6 million murdered Jews or the millions of European civilians also murdered. But it was the beginning of Germany’s true reckoning with the past. It’s important to add that Willy Brandt fled Nazi Germany as a young man and survived the war in hiding as a dissident. He was a marked man by the Nazis often escaping capture and death. So if anyone had an excuse to say “I’m not responsible for what my country did”—it was him. But Brandt understood that he was part of a society that committed mass murder on an unimaginable scale. And he had to act. Brandt knelt in Warsaw a few years before I was born. But as a descendant of victims, I remember learning about what he did—even as a child. It wasn’t going to erase the past...but it was a start toward reconciliation and building a more just society As a boy in the early 1980s, I remember my parents had friends in their 40s (close to my age today) who had numbers tattooed on their arms. Holocaust survivors. They were young and vibrant. I remember that. And by that time, their trauma had been recognized by much of the world. It didn’t change their pain and the nightmares of their lived experiences but also they knew that their suffering had been acknowledged. That matters. Germany is an imperfect country. I know. I lived there. But the average German knows and understands the details and legacy of the mass murder and persecution their forbears committed. German schoolchildren visit the remains of death camps. There are monuments to the murdered Jews of Europe across the country. There are national days of mourning. You’d be hard pressed to find a public monument to any Nazi. In fact you won’t because they are not allowed. Now imagine in the US, we have monuments to men who fought a war to preserve the institutionalized terrorization and enslavement of African Americans. Every day, millions of African Americans in cities throughout the US pass those statues. It’s not just a reminder of their oppression. But a reminder of their country’s failure to reckon with the past. In Germany, there are still racist and anti-Semitic people. That exists around the world. No society is immune. But expressing pro-Nazi views or denying the cruelty of their Nazi past is culturally unacceptable—and in some cases, illegal. It means that—as a general rule—German society has been able to develop into a healthier and more just society. Does every German like it? No. There are plenty who bitterly resent the fact that their national institutions memorialize the murdered Jews of Europe. But they are a distinct minority of people whose voices are roundly condemned and quashed. Because Germany knows that hatred—at the end of the day—is self corroding. It is bad for Germany. Most schoolchildren in the United States still do not learn that “plantations” were concentration camps where terror, rape, assault and brutal family separation took place. They do not learn about the generations of families ripped apart at the snap of a finger. Or the immense wealth that was created and passed on (to this day) by people who benefited from the free labor of enslaved humans. And that for more than 100 years after the civil war, African Americans continued to be terrorized by the state apparatus. I believe if more white Americans understood these and so many other horrors of the black experience in America—and truly committed ourselves to a reckoning—with both real and symbolic reparations—our country would become stronger, more just, healthier and prouder.” - Guy Roz

I wonder if this really is our struggle.
 
"Most schoolchildren in the United States still do not learn that “plantations” were concentration camps where terror, rape, assault and brutal family separation took place. They do not learn about the generations of families ripped apart at the snap of a finger. Or the immense wealth that was created and passed on (to this day) by people who benefited from the free labor of enslaved humans."

Nonsense.
 
I was trying to figure out a way share this unique perspective. I wanted to wait but the misrepresentation about what some people want regarding our country and its future made this a good first opportunity.

I will likely share this multiple times because it makes perfect sense to me.



I wonder if this really is our struggle.

The North (White People) liberated the Slaves of the South. So to blame 'White People' for Slavery isn't honest. To compare the Holocaust (killing 12 million people) to Slavery is dishonest.
If you want to have an 'honest' reckoning, you need to have an honest appraisal of the situation.

Blaming 'White People' for Slavery is like blaming 'The Jews' for Germany's Problems.
 
The So to blame 'White People' for Slavery isn't honest.

Who the hell else can you blame?


To compare the Holocaust (killing 12 million people) to Slavery is dishonest.

I can argue that hundreds of years of slavery, generations of slavery, is worse.

It is interesting that this is what impacted you and caused you to comment.

I took this as a comparison. Germany was willing to look in the mirror and feel ashamed of what they had done. They created monuments honoring the victims.

The US still has people claiming southern pride, waving the Confederate Flag, and fighting over statues of people who fought against this country and for slavery.

I doubt that makes anything perfect. It would be interesting to know how the United States would look if we had the courage to evaluate our heritage and then unify to make sure the future is better.

This is a great country. I do think that is the conversation that needs to take place. I say that as a middle aged, middle class, white guy.
 
What is nonsense?

This is nonsense.

"Most schoolchildren in the United States still do not learn that “plantations” were concentration camps where terror, rape, assault and brutal family separation took place. They do not learn about the generations of families ripped apart at the snap of a finger. Or the immense wealth that was created and passed on (to this day) by people who benefited from the free labor of enslaved humans."
 
Nope. Just honest, real history.

Undefined.

Your argument is risible.

You've no evidence to support your contention.

"Most schoolchildren in the United States still do not learn that “plantations” were concentration camps where terror, rape, assault and brutal family separation took place. They do not learn about the generations of families ripped apart at the snap of a finger. Or the immense wealth that was created and passed on (to this day) by people who benefited from the free labor of enslaved humans."

You're dismissed.
 
This is nonsense.
Do you really believe most k-12 students leave high school understanding the true horror of slavery? I certainly wasn't. It was presented as an inconvenience, an oops that we, white people, fixed.

Admittedly that was more than a couple years ago. I would imagine, any public teachers teaching that blunt, honest, awful reality today will be attacked as liberal, teaching CRT, and "attempting to indoctrinate".

Heck, pretty sure a couple governors actually declared that.
 
"Most schoolchildren in the United States still do not learn that “plantations” were concentration camps where terror, rape, assault and brutal family separation took place. They do not learn about the generations of families ripped apart at the snap of a finger. Or the immense wealth that was created and passed on (to this day) by people who benefited from the free labor of enslaved humans."

Do you dismiss this as our history?
 
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