the Founding Fathers were all Liberals

Independence was well and good, although it seems to have cost us National Health Care.

Those thirteen colonies didn't have to be one nation, though.

They created a permanent culture war that's going stronger than ever.
 
“As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.”

― George Washington

and there it is
 
reagansghost said:
“As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.”

― George Washington

and there it is
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do you have a citation for that quote? because it's seriously suspect, considering that individual rights and freedoms were at the core of revolutionary era liberalism.........something you fucksticks know nothing about
 
reagansghost said:
“As Mankind becomes more liberal, they will be more apt to allow that all those who conduct themselves as worthy members of the community are equally entitled to the protections of civil government. I hope ever to see America among the foremost nations of justice and liberality.”

― George Washington

and there it is
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The Founding Fathers immigration act the Naturalization Act of 1790 stated that only free Whites of good character could become USA citizens.

Only 6% could vote in the first election being White property owning males.

Many of the founding fathers owned slaves too.
 
So let me get this right... posters here objected to them being called liberals because they owned slaves. So does that mean they were conservatives because they owned slaves?

:bigthink:
 
AProudLefty said:
So let me get this right... posters here objected to them being called liberals because they owned slaves. So does that mean they were conservatives because they owned slaves?

:bigthink:
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Slavery in America was Capitalism in action, cheap labor & Labor shortages spurred them to import slaves from Africa.

Same with illegal immigrants today.
 
Yes. They were slave owning liberals who came to realize that slave-owning was not right. So they began to advocate for the idea of change.

Conservatives said 'OK, we'll just make sure we stay rich and the workers can call themselves free as long as we still control them.'

That was the beginning of our system of capitalism in which people feel like slaves to their jobs, but they're not really slaves by definition.
 
Lincoln was a liberal as well

until the late 1800's and early 1900's republicans were the conservative party, democrats the liberals*



*check your history home-schoolers before you make yourselves look even more ignorant
 
Not too many times I do a double take on positions taken on JPP but this thread qualifies.

In the last couple of years we’ve had movements across the country to change the name of statues named after Founders and Lincoln. We’ve had movements to rename schools named after Founders and Lincoln. We’ve had the 1619 Project win national awards with the claim the revolution wasn’t fought for independence rather to keep slavery.

As the argument goes our founders were slave owning racist white men who created a country based on white supremacy.

Yet we have people arguing they were liberals in the sense of how we used the word politically in America today?

I’ve done seen it all.
 
cawacko said:
Not too many times I do a double take on positions taken on JPP but this thread qualifies.

In the last couple of years we’ve had movements across the country to change the name of statues named after Founders and Lincoln. We’ve had movements to rename schools named after Founders and Lincoln. We’ve had the 1619 Project win national awards with the claim the revolution wasn’t fought for independence rather to keep slavery.

As the argument goes our founders were slave owning racist white men who created a country based on white supremacy.

Yet we have people arguing they were liberals in the sense of how we used the word politically in America today?

I’ve done seen it all.
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so you're confused, that's ain't news
 
cawacko said:
Not too many times I do a double take on positions taken on JPP but this thread qualifies.

In the last couple of years we’ve had movements across the country to change the name of statues named after Founders and Lincoln. We’ve had movements to rename schools named after Founders and Lincoln. We’ve had the 1619 Project win national awards with the claim the revolution wasn’t fought for independence rather to keep slavery.

As the argument goes our founders were slave owning racist white men who created a country based on white supremacy.

Yet we have people arguing they were liberals in the sense of how we used the word politically in America today?

I’ve done seen it all.
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slave owning racists......well, at least they had something in common with demmycrats......
 
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