The free markets at work...

cawacko said:
Cypress, you regularly create this strawman when discussing capitalism that supporters want zero regulations. That's just flat out false to the point of being dishonest. Why do you feel the need to lie about what others believe?

Libertarians believe there is a role for government in the overseeing of the economy. It may not be to the level you would prefer but it doesn't mean they don't want government to exist.
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that is what the quote said asshole
 
evince said:
conditions that brought about Unions demanded by American workers who were being abused by such a system
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I am the first one to say we should talk about the crimes of Stalin, Lenin, and other totalitarian communist dictators.

It is only reasonable, intellectually consistent, and introspective to also acknowledge the cruelty and inhumanity of capitalism, and to face the millions of death caused by a relentless quest for profit.

The guardian article I posted noted that the international slave trade was driven by capitalism and profit motive.

The atrocities by Belgian rubber companies in the Congo are reported to have resulted in five to ten million deaths of Africans.

I mean, the list goes on.

Conservatives are forever demanding that American liberals be held accountable for the crimes of Lenin and Stalin - a preposterous claim at face value.

But if we are even to entertain that claim, then conservatives need to answer for centuries of slavery, misery, inhumanity, and cruelty perpetrated by capitalists in the quest for profit and for the benefit of a select few.
 
Althea said:
[FONT=&]Last Friday, during an event at Harvard, Republican presidential contender Newt Gingrich offered up a modest plan for alleviating poverty in the United States. It was time, he said, to relax our "truly stupid" child labor laws. In particular, schools should fire their unionized janitors, and hire children as young as nine to do the work instead. Per The New York Times:[/FONT]
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Trump admin has already relaxed laws protecting child laborers. https://www.nelp.org/publication/tr...bor-rules-expose-teen-workers-hazardous-jobs/ Rightys will never understand that regulation protects workers from what ownership will gladly do to squeeze a couple bucks more in profits.When worker protection and worker rights were started, it was unions, workers fighting as one, who won those things and more. The companies beat and killed organizers . The company attitude has not changed and the need to fight as one for workers has also not alleviated.
You people who think Trump and the wealthy care about you are wrong. They are proving it every day.
 
State child labor laws under attack

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...he-free-markets-at-work&p=2953197#post2953197

In February, Missouri Republican State Senator Jane Cunningham introduced legislation, SB 222, that would all but repeal the child labor law in the state of Missouri, eliminating the prohibition on employment of children under age 14.

The Missouri legislation:
• removes the restrictions on the maxium number of hours and time of day during which a child may work;
• repeals the requirement that a child ages 14 or 15 obtain a work certificate or work permit in order to be employed;
• allows children under 16 to work in any capacity in a motel, resort, or hotel where sleeping accommodations are furnished; and,
• removes the authority of the director of the Division of Labor Standards to inspect employers who employ children and to require them to keep certain records for children they employ. It also repeals the presumption that the presence of a child in a workplace is evidence of employment.

Recently Maine has joined Missouri as states considering changes to child labor law. Proposed legislation in Maine—now under consideration in the state Senate—would extend hours for teen workers, allowing them to work 24 hours a week during the school year—instead of the current 20—and allowing them to work till 11:00 p.m. instead of the current 10:00 p.m.

A second law under consideration by the Maine legislature would eliminate any cap on the number of hours a 16-year-old may work on a school day. The bill, introduced by Representative David Burns (R – Whiting), would abolish minimum wage protections for high school students under 20 – limiting their income to just $5.25 per hour in the first six months.

https://www.nclnet.org/state_child_labor_laws_under_attack
 
Cypress, you are free not to speak to me. That is your right. But let's be clear about one thing. You thanked a post that said anyone who votes or has voted Republican is a racist. I vote Republican when I have the opportunity so you are calling me a racist. And you have openly said you have voted Republican in the past so you are calling yourself a racist. That's why I said what I did. I never called you a racist prior to you thanking that statement.

As far as deregulation, yes, many people on the right will back deregulation if it's for a cause they support. That doesn't mean we should have no regulation. Again, that's just a strawman and/or flat out lie.
 
cawacko said:
Cypress, you are free not to speak to me. That is your right. But let's be clear about one thing. You thanked a post that said anyone who votes or has voted Republican is a racist. I vote Republican when I have the opportunity so you are calling me a racist. And you have openly said you have voted Republican in the past so you are calling yourself a racist. That's why I said what I did. I never called you a racist prior to you thanking that statement.

As far as deregulation, yes, many people on the right will back deregulation if it's for a cause they support. That doesn't mean we should have no regulation. Again, that's just a strawman and/or flat out lie.
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Again, all Republicans are not racists, but racists are Republicans. They are not at home in the Democratic party.
 
Cypress said:
The western liberal welfare state is the most successful socio-economic model in human history. People like FDR recognized that capitalism, left to its own devices, causes an intolerable amount of human misery. Necessitating the need to put an iron grip of restraint and regulation on the free markets, and recognizing that the core needs of a nation cannot be trusted to the profit motive.

I think the argument can be made that the most admired, successful, and egalitarian socio-economic model in human history, are the liberal social welfare states of the Nordic countries.

Centuries ago, the first so called classical liberal economists assumed that pure human reason and self-interest could prevail to serve society's needs, and that government should get out of the way of the markets and the economy. Time has not been kind to these libertarian wet dreams, and there is no country on the planet that serves as a successful economic model of the kind American conservatives advocate for - aka, dismantling the New Deal, the Great Society, wholesale deregulation and privatization, and unleashing the magic of the free markets. It was always horseshit, and we knew it was horseshit over a century ago.
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Agree, but it's always hard to compare anyone to the U.S, as we waste billions on defense, that could go to improving society.
 
Cypress said:
To be clear, I do not think most individual Republicans want eight year old boys and girls to work 16 hours a day in inhumane conditions. But that is exactly what would happen when the profit motive takes root in an under-regulated capitalist economy.

The point is that the free markets - capitalism - left to its own devices results in exploitation, cruelty, inhumanity, for the benefit of a select few.

The conservatives who worship at the altar of the free market, and the conservatives who ever want to eliminate regulations, who relentlessly holler the slogan "get the government out of the way!", apparently forget the history of capitalism.

In my opinion, if you want to live without a framework of regulation and taxes, you really should consider moving to Somalia.

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To be fair, we'll never see child labor here. We'd have to pay them more than the Chinese children we employ now.
 
Nordberg said:
How do facts make me feel superior?
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First off, you completely missed the point of Cypress’ post in relation to himself. Second, if you think being a Democrat means you can’t be racist is just ignorant. But that’s not what this thread is about.
 
cawacko said:
First off, you completely missed the point of Cypress’ post in relation to himself. Second, if you think being a Democrat means you can’t be racist is just ignorant. But that’s not what this thread is about.
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That what you thought I said? I can see why you are a righty. You missed it totally. The Democratic party has platforms and an agenda for equality, from color, sex to anything else. The Repubs do not. If forced to, they will provide weak lip service. But their fingers are crossed when they vow to do better. The white power types, Nazis and bigots have lots of company on the right.
 
Nordberg said:
That what you thought I said? I can see why you are a righty. You missed it totally. The Democratic party has platforms and an agenda for equality, from color, sex to anything else. The Repubs do not. If forced to, they will provide weak lip service. But their fingers are crossed when they vow to do better. The white power types, Nazis and bigots have lots of company on the right.
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You don’t understand the issue between cypress and I. I explained it but you aren’t able to comprehend it.
 
cawacko said:
You don’t understand the issue between cypress and I. I explained it but you aren’t able to comprehend it.
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Yeah, that must be it. Your thoughts are so esoteric that few can keep up.
You claimed, incorrectly, that I was saying leftys cannot be racists. I did not. Just they have a welcome home in the Republican party.
 
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