The Global Elite: Rigging the Rules That Fuel Inequality

[Canceled.2014.1]

It's not punishment - it's helping foster a society of which we are all a part. If the goods and services a business is selling are not the necessities of life, they are by definition, frivolous. The jobs involved with manufacturing, shipping, and selling frivolous goods and services won't completely disappear, not for a while anyway - as long as there's crap to buy, people will buy it. And if they buy less of it, yes that means fewer jobs - in the long run the idea of a "job" is disappearing anyway - in the meantime, we should try to make that transition to complete, society-wide joblessness as painless as possible.

Yep, it is a troll. And not a very creative one.

 

[cawacko]

It doesn't strictly have to be 90% - it could be 91% - or 93.5%.

And why? To pay for a robust set of social programs, of course.

No, I don't own a business - which makes me perfectly qualified to comment on this since we don't want business owners deciding what their tax rate should or shouldn't be - that's for the rest of us to decide.

Maybe you are the individual that shouted at a transportation meeting about the Google buses in San Francisco that 'Google should give us a billion dollars because they have the money'.

I mean makes total sense right?

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

Maybe you are the individual that shouted at a transportation meeting about the Google buses in San Francisco that 'Google should give us a billion dollars because they have the money'.

I mean makes total sense right?

CAW, it is a new troll. When you post "...in the meantime, we should try to make that transition to complete, society-wide joblessness as painless as possible." there is not much doubt.

I miss WM's trolling.

 

[cawacko]

CAW, it is a new troll. When you post "...in the meantime, we should try to make that transition to complete, society-wide joblessness as painless as possible." there is not much doubt.

I miss WM's trolling.

WB, I hear ya.

 

[Riggins]

I'm getting the feeling you are a troll, sir.

What sane person would assume a 90%+ tax rate on corporations would be remotely feasible? Add on top of that, that you also believe in taxation without representation ("we don't want business owners deciding what their tax rate should or shouldn't be"), I've got no other conclusion to draw other than you are here to stir the pot.

And you are the arbiter of what is or is not sane? Just because you disagree with my idea of a good corporate tax rate does not mean I'm a troll. I say what I mean, and I mean what I say. If it stirs your pot that's on you, not me. I'm here to debate and discuss, just like everybody else.

And again, yes, a 90%+ corporate tax rate is a great idea whose time has come - you could just ask me why I think so, or tell me why you don't think so instead of assuming I'm here to troll.

 

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And you are the arbiter of what is or is not sane? Just because you disagree with my idea of a good corporate tax rate does not mean I'm a troll. I say what I mean, and I mean what I say. If it stirs your pot that's on you, not me. I'm here to debate and discuss, just like everybody else.

And again, yes, a 90%+ corporate tax rate is a great idea whose time has come - you could just ask me why I think so, or tell me why you don't think so instead of assuming I'm here to troll.

I think your advocating "society wide joblessness" speaks volumes about you being a troll. Either that or you are an idiot. I'll let you pick one.

 

[Riggins]

So you want to take away 90% of what a business earns so you can give the money to people who do nothing for it? That is a sure way to kill an economy. It will certainly guarantee to kill business expansions and employee raises.

And no, I am not against social programs.

A good portion of what businesses "do" is to manipulate or exploit to drive up their profits. The so-called "people who do nothing" are those manipulated and exploited by said businesses. Taking care of those "people who do nothing" with a vast array of social programs paid for by the manipulative, and exploiting big businesses is a great start in softening the transition from full human "employment" to full automated employment.

The economy isn't going anywhere, it's just changing into something else, something machine-driven.

 

[Riggins]

So everything except food, utilities and housing is frivolous?

Or perhaps you would like to be more specific about what you consider frivolous? Is the computer you are using now a necessity?

You could make the argument that computers, mobile phones, a broadband internet connection, etc are all necessities of life - that is an argument to have on a societal level - something to figure out through discussion en masse over time. I make no claims to know just what will or does constitute the necessities of life by those in legislative positions when the time comes - all I know is that taxing big corporations heavily to pay for all of it makes sense in the near term.

 

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A good portion of what businesses "do" is to manipulate or exploit to drive up their profits. The so-called "people who do nothing" are those manipulated and exploited by said businesses. Taking care of those "people who do nothing" with a vast array of social programs paid for by the manipulative, and exploiting big businesses is a great start in softening the transition from full human "employment" to full automated employment.

The economy isn't going anywhere, it's just changing into something else, something machine-driven.

Spare me the drivel. Businesses do not exploit people into unemployment. They would no longer be consumers at that point.

Your ideal of total unemployment is ridiculous.

 

[Riggins]

Yep, it is a troll. And not a very creative one.

No more a troll than anyone else here. I'm here to speak my mind just like everyone else. Now if I came on here and said that water isn't wet, and the sky is brown and I defy anyone to say otherwise - THAT would be trolling.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

You could make the argument that computers, mobile phones, a broadband internet connection, etc are all necessities of life - that is an argument to have on a societal level - something to figure out through discussion en masse over time. I make no claims to know just what will or does constitute the necessities of life by those in legislative positions when the time comes - all I know is that taxing big corporations heavily to pay for all of it makes sense in the near term.

It makes sense only if you want an economic collapse. The small businesses will fold and the big corporations will relocate to other countries where the tax rate does not destroy them. All your scheme would do is decimate this nation's economy and make it a 3rd world country.

And yes, you COULD make the argument that computers, cell phones, and a broadband internet connection are necessities. But that claim would be bogus. Why not have more computers at the public library and increase public transportation? I have been to 3 different public libraries in the Atlanta area. I never had trouble getting access to a computer.

I guess it is handy for you that the unnecessary things in life are the ones you want to claim are "necessities". I enjoy hunting and fishing. I could make the claim that these activities increase my physical health and provide relaxation (necessary for good health). So let's make camo clothing and fly rods "necessities of life". A good friend of mine has a very stressful job. To relax he plays video games. You could make an argument that these games increase his hand-to-eye coordination and the relaxation he gets lowers his stress level, thereby cutting his chances of many life threatening illnesses. So let's make Playstations a "necessity of life".

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

No more a troll than anyone else here. I'm here to speak my mind just like everyone else. Now if I came on here and said that water isn't wet, and the sky is brown and I defy anyone to say otherwise - THAT would be trolling.

Advocating society wide joblessness as a goal is either trolling or ignorant. As I said, I'll let you pick which one.

 

[Riggins]

Maybe you are the individual that shouted at a transportation meeting about the Google buses in San Francisco that 'Google should give us a billion dollars because they have the money'.

I mean makes total sense right?

If 90% of what Google brings in, in a set period of time, equals a billion dollars, then yes, that billion dollars would look great paying for various social programs - or maybe we could make an exemption for any company that speeds us toward full automation or increases human longevity or other key social indices.

 

[Riggins]

CAW, it is a new troll. When you post "...in the meantime, we should try to make that transition to complete, society-wide joblessness as painless as possible." there is not much doubt.

I miss WM's trolling.

Like it or not, we are moving to an automated economy - society-wide joblessness is a future we face.

 

[Riggins]

I think your advocating "society wide joblessness" speaks volumes about you being a troll. Either that or you are an idiot. I'll let you pick one.

I don't advocate society wide joblessness, I just recognize we're on that path - somehow you don't, and I'm the idiot?

 

[Truth Detector]

no comment from the blustering nazi gasbag?

Why would I respond to your lunatic ramblings; you're a dishonest dunce desperate to wallow like an idiot in a never ending circle of stupidity. That post doesn't make the remotest sense and I am not going to bust my head trying to figure out what your insane ramblings are supposed to mean other than they are obviously confused and stupid.

Me a Nazi; what a stupid and repugnant claim.

Yes, you really are THAT stupid and THAT repugnant.

 

[Truth Detector]

Taxing big corporations to pay for a vast array of social programs is smart. Inheriting wealth, parking it offshore, practicing exploitation and getting help from the government while preaching a bootstraps mentality to everyone not born with silver spoons in their mouths is dumb.

Another confused lunatic rant almost as dimwitted as the first one.

You can't help yourself can you dunce?

 

[Riggins]

Spare me the drivel. Businesses do not exploit people into unemployment. They would no longer be consumers at that point.

Your ideal of total unemployment is ridiculous.

Total unemployment is not my ideal - it is where we appear to be headed, and after the initial panic I've definitely come around to the idea. That said, the transition is going to be rough, and it is coming - it only makes sense to try and make it as smooth as possible. There are no easy answers.

 

[Truth Detector]

wanting to somehow adjust the obscene inequity of the distribution of wealth in this country is NOT synonymous with "wanting everyone to have exactly the same amount of wealth" and it is certainly not "Marxist".

The notion that Government should be the "arbiter" of what is fair and "adjust" wealth distribution is certainly Marxist in nature you incredibly dense buffoon.

It is also incredibly stupid to believe that corporations do not pass on their tax burden and costs of doing business to the consumers.

Do you even read the ignorant stupidity you type out before you hit the "post" button?

Good lord, you're special brand of stupidity should be put in a display case.

 

[Canceled.2014.1]

If 90% of what Google brings in, in a set period of time, equals a billion dollars, then yes, that billion dollars would look great paying for various social programs - or maybe we could make an exemption for any company that speeds us toward full automation or increases human longevity or other key social indices.

And who will develop the technologies necessary to create this automated utopia? The gov't? lol The companies who develop technologies do it for the profits involved. The researchers do it for the paychecks they receive (and the other benefits).

And we will never be a fully automated society. There will always be jobs that need people. If that is not the case, we are many, many years from this utopia you seek. And if it ever arrives, it will spell the doom of mankind. No challenges? Nothing but leisure time and no responsibilities? Yeah, that will create a healthy society.