The GOP HATES Our Fighting Men And Women

[LurchAddams]

Correctly being able to predict the future is the ultimate proof of education, of correctly understanding the Universe.

Yeah, like you predicted trump would resign in 3 months after inauguration. You're sorely uneducated, according to your own criterion.

You're an idiot and an evil fuck.

 

[zappasguitar]

The GOP is dead. This was their first nail. It's like they're TRYING to lost all upcoming elections.

Just 3 months ago the pollsters were predicting a GOP landslide in the House and Senate, now the same people say they believe the Democrats could gain up to 6 seats in the Senate alone.

To date:

The GOP has now alienated most women voters by taking away a woman's right to choose.

They've alienated Veteran voters by telling them that if they get sick from breathing toxic air while deployed, they can GFY.

AND they've alienated most minority voters by endorsing the racial hate of white nationalism.

The GOP...snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

 

[LurchAddams]

Just 3 months ago the pollsters were predicting a GOP landslide in the House and Senate, now the same people say they believe the Democrats could gain up to 6 seats in the Senate alone.

To date:

The GOP has now alienated most women voters by taking away a woman's right to choose.

They've alienated Veteran voters by telling them that if they get sick from breathing toxic air while deployed, they can GFY.

AND they've alienated most minority voters by endorsing the racial hate of white nationalism.

The GOP...snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

I know it's like they all have meetings where they say, "ok, guys - how can we even worse dicks that before?". And then they nail it. I'm thinking perhaps they think their stacking the voting laws in their favor in red states is going to save them.

 

[LurchAddams]

The GQP is dead when it comes to its relationship with America or anything else of a civilized nature as it wages war on society and humanity, and as a result of tRump destroying its soul and the souls of idiots who are shrouded in a state of ignorance, hatred of America, themselves and who are incapable of co-existing in a civilized society, and yet who are the minority. Although tRump and his gutter repuke associates of sedition failed in their so-called coup attempt to destroy Democracy but outwitted themselves at causing Democracy to become stronger and more in tune with what the enemy from within is up to who are prostitutes and do the treasonous bidding of foreign enemies and the devil. Additionally, who like tRump wouldn't give a rat's ass for any of their dumbfounded supporters as they can all drop dead in their blind and misconstrued support of so-called republicans and their main rancid cheese of high crimes against humanity tRump. I suppose its possible they are all ok with the idea of making it to hell with tRump and his un-American repuke mob of the gutter when its all over for themselves!

That sad thing is the GOP asswipes have changed our democracy forever. Because they probably won't be winning much legitimately, we're going to have to put up with them lying their "election was stolen" every fucking time.

 

[Shoresy]

Your racial psychosis aside ... please provide the readers with a quote from the bill that has this "...far left indoctrination funding for the military".

If you can't produce it, that makes you a LIAR. Carry on.

Let's see the fucking bill dipshit. Guaranteed it's another bill they have to pass before we can read it.

 

[Noking]

Let's see the fucking bill dipshit. Guaranteed it's another bill they have to pass before we can read it.

Hey dimwit, you're just not smart enough to understand what a bill is all about, so why ask???????????????????????

 

[Noking]

Let's see the fucking bill dipshit. Guaranteed it's another bill they have to pass before we can read it.

Hey dimwit, you're just not smart enough to understand what a bill is all about, so why ask???????????????????????

 

[Taichiliberal]

Taichiliberal wrote:

In 1979, a class action lawsuit was filed on behalf of 2.4 million veterans who were exposed to Agent Orange during their service in Vietnam. Five years later, in an out-of-court-settlement, seven large chemical companies that manufactured the herbicide agreed to pay $180 million in compensation to the veterans or their next of kin.

In 1988, Dr. James Clary, an Air Force researcher associated with Operation Ranch Hand, wrote to Senator Tom Daschle, “When we initiated the herbicide program in the 1960s, we were aware of the potential for damage due to dioxin contamination in the herbicide. However, because the material was to be used on the enemy, none of us were overly concerned. We never considered a scenario in which our own personnel would become contaminated with the herbicide.”


In 1991, President George H.W. Bush signed into law the Agent Orange Act, which mandated that some diseases associated with Agent Orange and other herbicides (including non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma, soft tissue sarcomas and chloracne) be treated as the result of wartime service. This helped codify the VA’s response to veterans with conditions related to their exposure to Agent Orange.


https://www.history.com/topics/vietn...agent-orange-1

What does any of that anecdotal evidence prove?

https://www.vacsp.research.va.gov/CSPEC/Studies/INVESTD-R/Air-Force-Ranch-Hand-Study.asp
https://www.gao.gov/assets/t-nsiad-00-117.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5701511/

The actual studies show what I stated. Those outside Ranch Hand were never exposed to anywhere near the doses--a thousandth to a millionth--what the Ranch Hand operators were. Yet, there is no significant effect outside pre-skin cancer incidence that could be linked to Agent Orange with them.

Interesting how you frame historical, pertinent FACTS as "anecdotal". Kind of stupid toady move on your part. Especially when you make the unsubstantiated claim regarding who was and was not exposed. Your BS supposition and conjecture aside, exposure capabilities range from those loading the damned stuff to those who deployed it to those who disposed of the empty canisters. Oh, and since your "proof" deals with what, 2 thousand or so folk, it doesn't cover the millions in the law suit. Remember, they had to PROVE that they were exposed to be part of that lawsuit.

Apropos to that, here's something for you to chew on:

Agent Orange exposure and VA disability compensation


https://www.va.gov/disability/eligibility/hazardous-materials-exposure/agent-orange/

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Your racial psychosis aside ... please provide the readers with a quote from the bill that has this "...far left indoctrination funding for the military".

If you can't produce it, that makes you a LIAR. Carry on.

Let's see the fucking bill dipshit. Guaranteed it's another bill they have to pass before we can read it.

YOU made the claim, jackass....the burden of proof is on YOU.

Quit stalling. If you can't produce a quote from the bill that indicates or even alludes to this "... far left indoctrination funding for the military" that you claim exists, then you are a LIAR.

Put up or shut up, my pointy hooded friend. The reading audience awaits.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Interesting how you frame historical, pertinent FACTS as "anecdotal". Kind of stupid toady move on your part. Especially when you make the unsubstantiated claim regarding who was and was not exposed. Your BS supposition and conjecture aside, exposure capabilities range from those loading the damned stuff to those who deployed it to those who disposed of the empty canisters. Oh, and since your "proof" deals with what, 2 thousand or so folk, it doesn't cover the millions in the law suit. Remember, they had to PROVE that they were exposed to be part of that lawsuit.

Apropos to that, here's something for you to chew on:

Agent Orange exposure and VA disability compensation

https://www.va.gov/disability/eligibility/hazardous-materials-exposure/agent-orange/

 

[Taichiliberal]

Every blessed time these MAGA morons are factually and logically proven wrong on their talking points, the devolve into posting these childish memes. And when called on it, they just ignore any contrary posts and double down, usually with some attempted side track.

Yep, old TA Gardner is done. Let's watch him blow smoke and squirm.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Every blessed time these MAGA morons are factually and logically proven wrong on their talking points, the devolve into posting these childish memes. And when called on it, they just ignore any contrary posts and double down, usually with some attempted side track.

Yep, old TA Gardner is done. Let's watch him blow smoke and squirm.

You have posted nothing factual or logical, maybe you should try and do that before spouting off.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Every blessed time these MAGA morons are factually and logically proven wrong on their talking points, the devolve into posting these childish memes. And when called on it, they just ignore any contrary posts and double down, usually with some attempted side track.

Yep, old TA Gardner is done. Let's watch him blow smoke and squirm.

You have posted nothing factual or logical, maybe you should try and do that before spouting off.

Posts #35 & #48 makes this latest accusation of yours a flat out LIE. Just because you don't like a valid, documented fact and the logic that is derived from it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or is not true.

You posted your information, I posted mine. Unfortunately for you, my links show the readers what happened in reality after your links, and how that totally destroys your assertions.

You can stupidly deny reality, but it's always there to bite you in the ass. You may now continue to blow smoke and squirm.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Posts #35 & #48 makes this latest accusation of yours a flat out LIE. Just because you don't like a valid, documented fact and the logic that is derived from it doesn't mean it doesn't exist or is not true.

You posted your information, I posted mine. Unfortunately for you, my links show the readers what happened in reality after your links, and how that totally destroys your assertions.

You can stupidly deny reality, but it's always there to bite you in the ass. You may now continue to blow smoke and squirm.

You are wrong. What you posted was opinion, not facts. There was a very detailed study conducted over 20 years that disproves what is clamed in post 35. Dioxin is overblown as carcinogen, and much of the early hysteria about it came from better test equipment without any empirical evidence to back up the results obtained.

 

[Taichiliberal]

You are wrong. What you posted was opinion, not facts. There was a very detailed study conducted over 20 years that disproves what is clamed in post 35. Dioxin is overblown as carcinogen, and much of the early hysteria about it came from better test equipment without any empirical evidence to back up the results obtained.

Dear readers, just look at Post #48 to see what I'm dealing with:

FACT - 1979 class action lawsuit settled out of court.

FACT - 1988 letter from Dr. Clary ( Air Force researcher associated with Operation Ranch Hand ) to Sen. Daschle, admitting awareness of Agent Orange's toxic damage potential to our troops.

FACT - 1991 Agent Orange Act signed by President Bush recognizing certain cancers and such as related to "wartime service" with this chemical.

FACT - The Veteran's Administration sets up and amends guidelines for Agent Orange exposure and VA disability compensation.

FACT - Over 2.4 MILLION vets were exposed to Agent Orange. The 20 year study dealt with just under 2500. Hardly a decent sampling. Apropos to this, here's a little ditty that throws serious shade on T.A.Gardner's conclusive statement. https://www.pennlive.com/projects/2014/agent-orange/

This is why I have no patience or tolerance for corporate wonks and toadies. Anything that puts doubt about the company line is labeled as a lie or a "anecdote" or opinion that is unworthy of consideration. Of course the toady myopia and denial is perfectly logical.

 

[Port Tack]

I explained this in another thread. This bill creates an open-ended entitlement that will be abused severely just as past ones dealing with things like Agent Orange or PTSD has done. A cottage industry of lawyers and others will grow around the bill to entice veterans with some serious aliment to apply for benefits because they once saw a burn pit--by their personal recollection--being done somewhere in their time in the military.

That's the problem with this bill. It has nothing but good intentions behind it, but it--like those before it--will be executed with utter stupidity and awful results.

If that were true why did republicans pass it a month ago? don't feed us any bullshit like democrats changed something, nothing was changed. It was mandatory spending a month ago when 34 repubs passed it, it was mandatory when 34 repubs changed their minds last week and voted against it, and it was mandatory when those 34 repubs changed their minds again and passed it yesterday.

 

[Port Tack]

I do have the past and similar bills passed for similar reasons as a guide.

you are trying to say that veterans will abuse this bill to get care and they really were not around any burn pit. If they are a veteran then their medical should be covered by the VA anyway so how can they abuse anything.

 

[Port Tack]

I wonder if anyone here is stupid enough to believe the claim the bill was't stacked with a hundred billion in unrelated funding.......besides Stewart, that is.......

There was no "unrelated" spending in the bill. It is the same bill repubs flip flopped on 3 times.

 

[Port Tack]

why don't you ask one of the republicans who actually voted against the bill? Try to find one who's a combat veteran. I'm betting that if a vet is suffering from an illness directly attributed to burn pits, that illness is definitely service related, if not combat related, and that vet has a VA disability rating (probably approaching or at 100%. That stuff is nasty) and they're receiving most, if not all of their active duty pay tax free, and their medical is completely free through the VA. Is this bill filling some kind of gap or something?

34 of those republicans voted for the bill, then voted against the bill, then changed their minds again and voted for it. Same bill, nothing ever changed. That's why you don't vote for those assholes.

 

[Port Tack]

Let's see the bill, guaranteed it's packed with far left indoctrination funding for the military. Considering that Jon Stewart is a genocidal white racist I don't believe a word he fucking says

The bill is the same one republicans passed and they passed it again last night. Are republicans voting for "far left indoctrination"?