Margot
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That's an interesting spin! YHWH spoke to Moses through the burning bush! ?
The Historicity of Jesus Christ
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Margot
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State religions have never been a good idea
IBDaMann
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I think you were finished before you began. You have nothing but gibberish amounting to denial of what you are staring at.
IBDaMann
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Except that the bush did not burn, hence, no smoke.
Margot
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That's an opinion!
Margot
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Just because it wasn't consumed, doesn't mean there was no smoke!
IBDaMann
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Chronicles 16 - 19
16 Whose sisters were Zeruiah, and Abigail. And the sons of Zeruiah; Abishai, and Joab, and Asahel, three.
17 And Abigail bare Amasa: and the father of Amasa was Jether the Ishmeelite.
18 And Caleb the son of Hezron begat children of Azubah his wife, and of Jerioth: her sons are these; Jesher, and Shobab, and Ardon.
19 And when Azubah was dead, Caleb took unto him Ephrath, which bare him Hur.
Women are named because one's Judaism comes from one's mother, not one's father. Not rocket science to point out, but some people are just determined to keep clinging to to their agendas.
IBDaMann
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Nein! Es ist keine Meinung.
Exodus 3:2
And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
Margot
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Exactly! Wasn't consumed! That doesn't mean there wasn't smoke!
IBDaMann
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Smoke only issues from consumed fuel.
Different era; Chronicles has a different goal than the Genealogies in the NT. Some people can't handle timelines and note the old testament spans a long time. Even after Ezra changed up the racial purity laws to trace 'legitimate' lineages through the mother they still weren't included in family genealogies; they still only listed male relatives. Mathe in fact names a woman, but then the Christian sect was a reform sect, not a traditional one.
Why Are Women Left Out of Jewish Genealogy? | Jewish Women's Archive
With all the information Jewish genealogical sites offer, why are women so often left out?
Some women are listed in the bible because of their exceptional stories.
What happened to the women erased in the biblical genealogy?
Following up on my previous post, this is the essay I wrote after my first one was rejected. They published it, only after deleting several sections about Miriam's life and about gender in Jewish life. It was incredible to me. In an essay about the many ways women's lives are erased, they erased...
"Certainly, we are accustomed to the near-complete absence of women from these lineage-chapters in the Bible. We take for granted that biblical lineage is a guy thing. However, Professor Rachel Elior, however, who has done extensive research on the Dead Sea scrolls, argues that the choice of male-only genealogies is also part of an agenda. In fact, she says, many scrolls that have been discovered include both male and female ancestors and descendants. Although we cannot be sure why the male-only texts were eventually chosen to be in the canon – Professor Elior argues that it is because of the reluctance of the editors to admit that the world would have begun with incest, with the male and female sibling children of Adam and Eve progenerating – the fact is that the choice of male-only lineages has a very pronounced role in our communal subconscious bias. It is one of the most powerful tools for maintaining patriarchal perceptions and practices in Jewish life. The idea that only sons count, that only men take on official titles and roles, and that only men were priests, justifies many practices in our tradition. It is one of the key influencing cultural factors in so many communities only men count for a prayer quorum, only men can be rabbis, and only men can take on roles such as judges, priests, and even witnesses. Moreover, even in liberal communities that have broken down some of these practices over the past 30-40 years, perceptions of Jewish leadership as male are still pronounced. The domination of men not only in the rabbinate and in "priestly" clerical roles but also in areas such as lay leadership, salaries, inclusion on panels, and more, are unfortunate facts of Jewish life across communities. (See here an infographic on the topic.)"
Finding a tiny handful of exceptions to the rule requires examining context and purpose, which of course requires a study of Jewish culture and Christian reforms of that culture to embrace the universalism implied not just by Moses in the written Torah but by the entire premise of monotheism itself as a construct.
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Mason 22
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Not if a miracle is happening
IBDaMann
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No smoke was mentioned, only flame.
IBDaMann
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I suppose I'll be the first to call booooolsch't.
Some commentary with interesting observations on the issue.
So what? You're obviously way out of your depth, so you have little recourse except "I Touched You Last !!!' kiddie crap. Culture and context are important just because you don't know any doesn't make it 'irrelevant n stuff'.
So what? You're obviously way out of your depth, so you have little recourse except "I Touched You Last !!!' kiddie crap. Culture and context are important just because you don't know any doesn't make it 'irrelevant n stuff'.
IBDaMann
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You obviously have no response. Your only option is to claim omniscience.
... and you don't have any. Nobody alive today can do anything other than speculate about those issues. So this is where you must claim to be omniscient or else you have to admit that you have no way to support your claims and have no way to show that I am somehow mistaken.
Right back at you. You don't know any. The claims are boooooolsch't. The Bible has geneologies that list women. Chew on it.