The Jewish vote

[moon]

I do not think American Jews are as militantly Zionist as the Netanyahu faction in Israel. Though they undoutedly tend to be pro Israel as a nation-state.

Well, the ones that leave America to grab their ' free ' real estate in Palestine certainly are- as are those who fund squatter fascism from the US. If you're talking about the popular faces of Judaism, Mel Brooks, Gene Wilder, Bob Dylan etc, etc then, of course, you're right. Jewish militancy is born of the American-backed power that Izraeli racists wield over their Palestinian captives. They believe that they are safe for all time , granted impunity for being ' Jewish ' and that justice and the rule of law will never catch up with them.

I give you Meyer Lansky, Al Capone's bag-man

List of Jewish American mobsters

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_mobsters


Of course, there are many brainwashed prosemites who would call me antisemitic because I believe that each and every entry on that list represents a Jewish asshole.

 

[Althea]

Do you really believe that Palestine is at fault for being invaded ? Please explain your logic.

Not Palestine. Hamas. I believe that Palestinians would come to the table. Hamas will not agree that Israel has a right to exist. On the other side, I don't believe Israelis agree with the continued expansion of settlements, nor the starving of Palestinians and the theft of their resources.

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

Not Palestine. Hamas. I believe that Palestinians would come to the table. Hamas will not agree that Israel has a right to exist. On the other side, I don't believe Israelis agree with the continued expansion of settlements, nor the starving of Palestinians and the theft of their resources.

Why should any representatives 'come to the table' to eat poison or shit? What choice have the zionist nazis given the owners of the country except to fight to the death?

 

[Cypress]

I have seen polls showing the majority of American Jews support a credible two state solution and they are not as militantly Zionist as Netanyahu's Likud party

Polling suggests American Jews are more critical of the sincerity of the Israeli government's peace efforts than are your garden variety Deplorable.

American Jewish Attitudes Towards Israel

Nearly six-in-ten American Jews say they personally feel an emotional attachment to Israel,

But just one-in-three say they think the Israeli government is making a sincere effort toward achieving peace with the Palestinians. (Fewer still, just 12%, say they think Palestinian leaders are sincere in these efforts.)

https://www.pewforum.org/2021/05/11/u-s-jews-connections-with-and-attitudes-toward-israel/

 

[moon]

Not Palestine. Hamas. I believe that Palestinians would come to the table. Hamas will not agree that Israel has a right to exist. On the other side, I don't believe Israelis agree with the continued expansion of settlements, nor the starving of Palestinians and the theft of their resources.

Surely Israel should recognize Palestine's right to exist FIRST- in compliance with international law and agreement. It isn't Palestinians who are ethnically-cleansing Israelis , is it.
Palestine has a right to self defense and to self determination. the United Nations and 139 countries recognize the state of Palestine. It isn't the Palestinians who are in breach of international law and more UN resolutions than every pother country combined.
Demanding that eggs recognize the omelette is callous and unjust.

 

[Son of the Revolution]

Surely Israel should recognize Palestine's right to exist FIRST- in compliance with international law and agreement. It isn't Palestinians who are ethnically-cleansing Israelis , is it.
Palestine has a right to self defense and to self determination. the United Nations and 139 countries recognize the state of Palestine. It isn't the Palestinians who are in breach of international law and more UN resolutions than every pother country combined.
Demanding that eggs recognize the omelette is callous and unjust.

It is so sad you are a bigot

 

[moon]

Scum of the Revolution

It is so sad you are a bigot

Not me, Scum. It's the Izraelis who are racist- declared an apartheid state by Human Rights Watch.

 

[moon]

Show this to the American Jewish voters who feel an affinity with Izrael's pseudo- Jewish fascists;

https://www.facebook.com/414529415318347/videos/4159143194139390

Warning: vulgar racism.
This isn’t just a sick protest of Israeli settlers marching on Palestinians in East Jerusalem (which is internationally recognized as stolen land under an illegal occupation). This happened under the full protection of the Israeli state that simultaneously shot and arrested Palestinian protesters who dared even put up a Palestinian flag in front of their homes marked for expulsion.
This is a sickness that sustains a very real ongoing and expanding system of apartheid. All funded by United States tax payers and protected by the United States government which has blocked any international body from ever holding it accountable. Did the open bigotry displayed in Charlottesville bother you? Why doesn’t this? This too is an ugly form of global white supremacy. And we will not be silenced.

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?ref...b8-b152-4096-87b7-2653a482f9be&q=activestills

https://www.facebook.com/414529415318347/videos/4159143194139390

 

[Althea]

Why should any representatives 'come to the table' to eat poison or shit? What choice have the zionist nazis given the owners of the country except to fight to the death?

But those in charge do not adequately represent Palestinians as a whole. They are terrorists fighting terrorists. And the innocents are collateral damage.

 

[moon]

But those in charge do not adequately represent Palestinians as a whole. They are terrorists fighting terrorists. And the innocents are collateral damage.

Would you call the defenders of the Warsaw Ghetto ' terrorists ' because they fought the Nazis for their lives with every means at their disposal ?

 

[Cypress]

I'm pretty sure that all those who voted for Biden in 2020 were thinking "I better vote for this anti-Semitic party member." lol

Well, the ones that leave America to grab their ' free ' real estate in Palestine certainly are- as are those who fund squatter fascism from the US. If you're talking about the popular faces of Judaism, Mel Brooks, Gene Wilder, Bob Dylan etc, etc then, of course, you're right. Jewish militancy is born of the American-backed power that Izraeli racists wield over their Palestinian captives. They believe that they are safe for all time , granted impunity for being ' Jewish ' and that justice and the rule of law will never catch up with them.

I give you Meyer Lansky, Al Capone's bag-man

List of Jewish American mobsters

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_American_mobsters


Of course, there are many brainwashed prosemites who would call me antisemitic because I believe that each and every entry on that list represents a Jewish asshole.

I am utterly shocked that there were Jewish criminals in the historical record. Will wonders never cease?

I am going to come right out and say I am not smart enough to know what all Jewish and Palestinian people think, nor do I have the knowlege to understand all of the political and socio-economic roots of the conflict.

My suspicion is that, given a choice, most American Jews would prefer to see peaceful coexistence in the context of a viable two state solution.

 

[moon]

I am utterly shocked that there were Jewish criminals in the historical record. Will wonders never cease?

Put them in the context of the existing criminal government of Izrael. They are not just murdering thieves- they are MASS-murdering thieves.

I am going to come right out and say I am not smart enough to know what all Jewish and Palestinian people think, nor do I have the knowlege to understand all of the political and socio-economic roots of the conflict.

My suspicion is that, given a choice, most American Jews would prefer to see peaceful coexistence in the context of a viable two state solution.

There are already two states under law. The Izraelis refuse to accept that.

https://www.facebook.com/414529415318347/videos/4159143194139390

 

[Cypress]

Put them in the context of the existing criminal government of Izrael. They are not just murdering thieves- they are MASS-murdering thieves.



There are already two states under law. The Izraelis refuse to accept that.

https://www.facebook.com/414529415318347/videos/4159143194139390

That is why I specifically wrote a viable two state solution.

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

But those in charge do not adequately represent Palestinians as a whole. They are terrorists fighting terrorists. And the innocents are collateral damage.

Given the choice, the native people vote for Hamas, who will act logically. Why not simply write off the Netemyahu gang as terrorists - it's what they come from, it's what they are, and they are terrorising someone else's country. All this mess reflects the abominable failure of people to help the Jewish majority when they were destroyed by the Third Reich, leaving the minority of nazi-imitators who fled to terrorise their colony in 'Israel'. It made some desperate sort of sense in Hitler's time, and those who supported Hitler support it, but for others, especially decent Jewish people, it is a recipe for disaster.

 

[moon]

It would help if American Jews condemned the squatters. Otherwise they are condoning criminality and the trashing of the Geneva Conventions.

 

[Cypress]

It would help if American Jews condemned the squatters. Otherwise they are condoning criminality and the trashing of the Geneva Conventions.

As far as I can tell from polling, American Jews are more critical of of the Israeli government's peace effort than are Trumpist Deplorables.

At the end of the day, the takeaway for me is that Israel has a right to exist, the Palestinians have legitimate grievances, and the goal should be peaceful coexistence between two sovereign states.

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

As far as I can tell from polling, American Jews are more critical of of the Israeli government's peace effort than are Trumpist Deplorables.

At the end of the day, the takeaway for me is that Israel has a right to exist, the Palestinians have legitimate grievances, and the goal should be peaceful coexistence between two sovereign states.

Fair play now, what is this 'right to exist'? Did the Third Reich or the Nationalist regime in South Africa Have such a right? Can't see it.

 

[Cypress]

Fair play now, what is this 'right to exist'? Did the Third Reich or the Nationalist regime in South Africa Have such a right? Can't see it.

By the standards of international law. The state of Israel is recognized as a sovereign entity by the vast majority of governments on the planet. 164 according to Wikipedia.

Civil rights abuses and crimes attributable to Israeli government is a separate issue of international jurisprudence, since sovereignty is recognized and established.

I could be wrong, but I think every reasonable person sees a viable two state solution as the end game here.

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

By the standards of international law. The state of Israel is recognized as a sovereign entity by the vast majority of governments on the planet. 164 according to Wikipedia.

Civil rights abuses and crimes attributable to Israeli government is a separate issue of international jurisprudence, since sovereignty is recognized and established.

I could be wrong, but I think every reasonable person sees a viable two state solution as the end game here.

Would you give the UN the right to let foreigners take over your country? This is pretty basic stuff here.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

For a supposedly anti-Semitic party, it is surprising that year after year, decade after decade, Jewish voters are among the most reliably loyal Democratic voters.

The downside of a two-party system; no matter how fucked up both are, most voters will pick one or the other. For Jews and African-Americans it's the Democratic Party because the Republicans offer less consistent support....or they could vote Third Party locally, but I doubt a Jewish or African-American third party would make more progress than any other Third Party.

Which brings up a major point: Numbers*. Percentage of the population. Jews make up 2.7M of the Adult** US population, Muslims 1.4M, Christian 173.4 out of a 228.2M American Adults.

https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/2011/compendia/statab/131ed/tables/12s0075.xls

Given that a "blended nation" is making racial differences less clear, the US Census still subdivides Americans by race. As such, Whites number 244.3M, Blacks 39.6M, Asians 14.0M.

https://www2.census.gov/library/publications/2011/compendia/statab/131ed/tables/12s0010.xls


Voter turnout is an important factor to consider the impact of a population on our system of government: https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/04/record-high-turnout-in-2020-general-election.html

Graphics:

Spoiler

With all this data, when discussing the OP, the question "So what?" comes to mind. Sure, as the link and graphic below display, Jews can affect local elections such as city and state, but that's mostly a situation where Christians are evenly divided and a small percentage can tip the election.

Consider Arizona and Pennsylvania where the Adult Jewish population is 113,000 and 275,00 respectively. Total adult population of those states is 3,763,685 and 9,358,833 respectively. Meaning Jews are 3% and 2.9% of the voting population per state, respectively. 3% only becomes significant if the Christian voting population is split by less than 3% or any combination where 3% can tip the election. Otherwise, it's just interesting numbers.

https://www.brandeis.edu/now/2020/october/elections-jewish-vote-steinhardt.html

Spoiler

https://www.infoplease.com/us/census/arizona/demographic-statistics
https://www.infoplease.com/us/census/pennsylvania/demographic-statistics

All that said, while I fully support the rights of Americans as individuals to the rights and benefits shared by all Americans, it's a puzzle to me why the focus is upon such small portions of the American population versus the larger portions.

Consider that adult black voters constitute only 16% of adult white voters (13% of all adult voters), yet the focus is on Juneteenth, the second of two Federal holidays dedicated to African-Americans. Columbus Day can be seen as a "White Holiday" and I'd rather make St. Patty's day or Cinco de Mayo a holiday in its place.

I'm not saying Americans shouldn't care, I'm saying Americans should focus on doing something that actually makes a difference such as ensuring a quality education for all Americans since the poor areas of America, disproportionately minority areas, is what really needs work. Recognition by Holiday is nice, but what does it do except give Federal workers another paid day off?



* please feel free to check my math because I've been known to screw up both before and after my morning coffee.

**Adult can be interpreted as "voting age" but not necessarily voters.