The left should chill

Thing1 said:
And by that, I don't mean give up the fight, or the passion, or the principles.

But Trump won, and he won fair & square. So did a GOP Congress. I like the protests as a statement of "we're still here & we're still going to fight," but they lose me at "he's not my President." I hated that stuff w/ Obama.

I think, for the most part, the reason for this extreme reaction has a lot more to do w/ Trump's personality. It is a tough one to take, especially for our President. He's a crass boor, and a narcissist, and he clearly does have issues with women. He's not very likeable on a personal level; he's arrogant, petulant & vindictive. On that level, I'm deeply embarrassed for America today.

As far as ideology, the left should have an easier time w/ him than any recent Republican candidate or President in modern times. Trump is pretty left-of-center in a lot of areas:
- On foreign policy, he's probably going to be more of a pacifist than Hillary (who is a hawk) would have been.
- One of his first initiatives is going to be a trillion dollar infrastructure spend, which will create a ton of jobs - who could be against that?
- He's going to repatriate over a trillion dollars.
- While he wants to repeal Obamacare, he DOES want universal healthcare (what GOP candidate every campaigned on that one?)
- Don't be surprised if some of his SCOTUS nominees are moderate. I expect his 1st to be very conservative, because he's replacing Scalia. But I doubt that he wants to be the President who got Roe overturned, and he has already said he wants gay marriage to stay legal.
- The debt - I have no idea what he is going to do, but he is going to be infinitely more committed to at least decreasing it than Hillary ever was. And if you hold liberal programs dear to your heart, you should want this, because they'll be the first budget items to go if we ever tip the scales & resort to austerity measures.

There are Democrats who are more right-wing than Trump. As hard as this is to accept, I'd encourage Hillary voters to focus on the positive and where there is common ground. Let's give the overblown buffoon a chance.
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I agree with most of what you post here, but is that what the Right did when Obama won?

Absolutely not, Trump himself led the fight to delegitimize Obama.

What do you think would be going on in this country right now if Trump had won the popular vote and lost the electoral?
 
Thing1 said:
I don't think that's true. But it's besides the point - you're trying to dismiss Trump on a technicality. You know exactly what I mean.

Trump's words toward & about women shouldn't be acceptable, and this isn't a "pc" thing. It's just basic respect. What you're engaging in right now is apologism for his behavior & rhetoric. And you do that when you say that "95%" of men think the same way. They don't. Even Howard Stern had a long discussion about this on his show - there is definitely "locker room talk" among men, but it in no way resembles the creepy, entitled and sexist mindset that Trump displayed on that tape, and with many other comments over the years.

Honestly, I didn't think at all that my statement about his issues with women would cause any controversy or objection. You sound exactly like the Clinton apologists who dismissed criticism of his affair with a young intern as "consenting adults." Give me a break. Trump is a pig when it comes to women.
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Seriously? You cite Howard Stern as a source on who or who has not objectified women?

As far as to what Trump said in a private conversation in a limo with another guy, you never had a "top this absurdity" conversation with another guy? Because that's all it was. For Hillary to claim "that's who he is" then for you to parrot that is at best disingenuous.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
how much of this do you consider 'America'?
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About half.
 
Right said:
Seriously? You cite Howard Stern as a source on who or who has not objectified women?

As far as to what Trump said in a private conversation in a limo with another guy, you never had a "top this absurdity" conversation with another guy? Because that's all it was. For Hillary to claim "that's who he is" then for you to parrot that is at best disingenuous.
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I did that on purpose, which is why I said "even" Howard Stern.

It wasn't just his limo comments. I keep saying that.
 
Jarod said:
I agree with most of what you post here, but is that what the Right did when Obama won?

Absolutely not, Trump himself led the fight to delegitimize Obama.

What do you think would be going on in this country right now if Trump had won the popular vote and lost the electoral?
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Oh, no doubt - they'd be going nuts.

But is that the bar we want to set? Do we want to get into this cyclic thing of, 'this is what they did, so we're going to do it worse?'

I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in more jobs, solutions for social security & the debt, better energy policy, more affordable education & healthcare, etc. I'm truly tired of the partisan tit for tat game, which no one wins.
 
Comrade Watermark said:
Yeah, we're going to repeal free trade agreements and the economy is going to grow. That is totally going to happen.
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first is re-negotitation, not repeal..Another way is to make it painful for US corps to outsource manufacturing/assembly jobs.
Another is tax reform ( simplification).

It's a combination of "America first". can it get done? I don't know,but it has to be tried.
 
Thing1 said:
Oh, no doubt - they'd be going nuts.

But is that the bar we want to set? Do we want to get into this cyclic thing of, 'this is what they did, so we're going to do it worse?'

I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in more jobs, solutions for social security & the debt, better energy policy, more affordable education & healthcare, etc. I'm truly tired of the partisan tit for tat game, which no one wins.
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I agree we need to do better, but I want them to consider what spoiled brats they would have been in the same situation. They are acting all holier than thou and its kinda funny.
 
Jarod said:
I agree with most of what you post here, but is that what the Right did when Obama won?

Absolutely not, Trump himself led the fight to delegitimize Obama.

What do you think would be going on in this country right now if Trump had won the popular vote and lost the electoral?
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how is it that I don't remember hours of coverage about Trump trying to de-legitimize Obama?
 
Thing1 said:
Oh, no doubt - they'd be going nuts.

But is that the bar we want to set? Do we want to get into this cyclic thing of, 'this is what they did, so we're going to do it worse?'

I'm not interested in that. I'm interested in more jobs, solutions for social security & the debt, better energy policy, more affordable education & healthcare, etc. I'm truly tired of the partisan tit for tat game, which no one wins.
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You're almost getting it!

Trump supporters care more about jobs, education etc than what he said to Billy Bush ten years ago. Regardless of how much the media hyperventilated over it. Even in spite of the spineless republicans who bowed to it.

They restored my faith in the electorate.
 
Darth Hussein Omar said:
You're almost getting it!

Trump supporters care more about jobs, education etc than what he said to Billy Bush ten years ago. Regardless of how much the media hyperventilated over it. Even in spite of the spineless republicans who bowed to it.

They restored my faith in the electorate.
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And again, this wasn't a "Trump is a misogynist who isn't my President" thread. I was offering up reasons for why those who are so vocal against accepting him now are that way. I believe it has a lot more to do with his personality than with policy or ideology.

Based on the latter, the left should be as happy as they could be given the election of a GOP candidate. It's as moderate/left as a GOP candidate has been in a long time. That's what I'm trying to tell the left. Forget about the personality, and look at the common ground on policy.
 
Thing1 said:
And again, this wasn't a "Trump is a misogynist who isn't my President" thread. I was offering up reasons for why those who are so vocal against accepting him now are that way. I believe it has a lot more to do with his personality than with policy or ideology.

Based on the latter, the left should be as happy as they could be given the election of a GOP candidate. It's as moderate/left as a GOP candidate has been in a long time. That's what I'm trying to tell the left. Forget about the personality, and look at the common ground on policy.
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Just tell them to pick themselves up by the pussy and get on the Trump train. LOL
 
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