The making of western morality

Cypress said:
The Greeks and Romans made their own code of values which venerated reputation, courage, honor, individual achievement, the heroic ethos above all else. Although their ethos was entwined with their religious and cultural traditions.
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Aristotle made no reference to religion.
 
Daylight63 said:
No. Wetness is NOT just a feeling. Some fluids can WET a surface.
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Everyone has known since fourth grade that atomic matter manifests as solids, gases, fluids.

Human perception of wetness is a subjective phenomenological sensation created in our mind when our brain interprets sense data. We have no idea how water feels to a fish or a water flea.
Daylight63 said:
You can't dance your way out of this one.
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Back to getting angry and insulting rather than just discussing the topic?

Daylight63 said:
It shows that emergent properties are QUITE REAL and not some esoteric word salad.
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The fluid properties of water are not analogous to human consciousness.

We have well established physical and thermodynamic explanations for the properties of fluids, solids, and gasses, and can relate them experimentally to pressure, temperature, atomic structure and atomic properties.

Daylight63 said:
Nope. Water can wet a surface. Mercury usually does not.
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I thought you were a PhD in chemistry? H2O is a dipolar molecule, which makes it something like a universal solvent which readily reacts or dissolves solid matter. Metallic bonds in something like mercury are completely different that the chemical bonds in H20, and I have no idea why you expected liquid mercury to behave like liquid water. We have excellent atomic theories for the fluid behavior of atomic matter.

The phenomenological experience of wetness in the human mind is strictly an epistemological form of knowledge, and doesn't represent anything fundamentally real or universal.
Daylight63 said:
Can you point to a single mercury atom and tell me where the "wetness" fails to be such that in a molecule of H2O it is there.

The table isn't experiencing a "mental state" of wetness.

Just answer the question. It's YOUR QUESTION. So if you can't answer it then you shouldn't ask it.
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Your thread diversion has been answered ad naseum.

What we're left with is the fact nobody really knows how to explain conscience or consciousness at the level of basic science, physics and chemistry.
 
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Daylight63 said:
I am still able to. So far I'm the only one on here not actively trying to pick a fight.

That's because, unlike you, I actually VALUE many of the teachings of Jesus.
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Point me to a post of mine that clearly shows me "picking a fight".

What I have been posting are my opinions, and it's simply my opinions which evidently make you angry.
 
Cypress said:
Your diverting from the topic.
I never claimed to know all the mechanistic processes that went into building a human being from physical material.

Your claimed you had a really good idea of how human moral conscience arises from atomic material
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Perry is a pussified passive-aggressive nutjob. You and I both know he like for weeks about his education and, when it was revealed he was too ignorant to have a college degree much less a PhD, he kept changing his username.
 
Cypress said:
He did not believe in or promote objective morality, and no matter how one wants to word-smith or dance around it, if it's not objective, then it is subjective at some level.
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You mean, Nietzsche did not believe in your Christian morality. That is quite different.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Perry is a pussified passive-aggressive nutjob. You and I both know he like for weeks about his education and, when it was revealed he was too ignorant to have a college degree much less a PhD, he kept changing his username.
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I hoped under this new Daylight user name he could simply respond to opinions without getting agitated and angry. He was doing pretty well for a couple of months.
 
Cypress said:
I hoped under this new Daylight user name he could simply respond to opinions without getting agitated and angry. He was doing pretty well for a couple of months.
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He has "issues". He can change his username or create sock accounts but he can't change his personality.

Since he does this periodically, I suspect bipolarism.
 
Hume said:
You mean, Nietzsche did not believe in your Christian morality. That is quite different.
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Christianity is not the only human tradition that holds to objective morality and absolute right and wrong.

I read Beyond Good and Evil and never for a second got the sense he was talking about absolute, objective moral truths.
 
Cypress said:
Christianity is not the only human tradition that holds to objective morality and absolute right and wrong.

I read Beyond Good and Evil and never for a second got the sense he was talking about absolute, objective moral truths.
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You believe in moral truths as what you believe. It is circular.
 
Hume said:
You believe in moral truths as what you believe. It is circular.
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Yes, it's a belief. But beliefs can be based on evidence.
Outside of pure mathematics or carefully controlled laboratory experiments, there's almost nothing we can actually "prove" beyond a reasonable doubt.
 
Cypress said:
Yes, it's a belief. But beliefs can be based on evidence.
Outside of pure mathematics or carefully controlled laboratory experiments, there's almost nothing we can actually "prove" beyond a reasonable doubt.
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Yet God told you what his moral system is.
 
752. This self-consciousness knows what the validity of the abstract person amounts to in reality and equally in pure thought. I t knows that such validity is rather a complete loss; it is itself this conscious loss of itself and the alienation of its knowledge about itself. We see that this Unhappy Conscious ... ness constitutes the counterpart and the completion of the THE REVEALED RELIGION 455 comic consciousness that is perfectly happy within itself. Into the latter, all divine being returns, or it is the complete alienation of substance. The Unhappy Consciousness, on the other hand, is, conversely, the tragic fate of the certainty of self that aims to be absolute. It is the consciousness of the loss of all essential being in this certainty of itself, and of the loss even of this knowledge about itself-the loss of substance as well as of the Self, it is the grief which expresses itself in the hard saying that 'God is dead'.
 
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