The making of western morality

Cypress said:
The feeling of wetness is a subjective qualia our mind creates internally from sense data. Wetness is only epistemological knowledge. We have no idea what water molecules feel like to a bacteria, algae, rocks, or fish.

That is qualitatively and radically different from the phenomenology of consciousness.
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this is why you lost.
 
Daylight63 said:
The world is neither fair nor unfair
The idea is just a way for us to understand
But the world is neither fair nor unfair
So one survives
The others die
And you always want a reason why
But the world is neither just nor unjust
It's just us trying to feel that there's some sense in it
No, the world is neither just nor unjust
And though going young
So much undone
Is a tragedy for everyone
It doesn't speak a plan or any secret thing
No unseen sign or untold truth in anything...
But living on in others, in memories and dreams
Is not enough
You want everything
Another world where the sun always shines
And the birds always sing
Always sing...


"Where the Birds Always Sing" Lyrics (The Cure)
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that's all fancy sounding.

but treating others well and engendering trust or poorly and creating enemies is pretty straight forward.

fascists hate the simplicity because it's then simple to see that they are psycho/sociopathic criminals.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
No, Perry, but thanks for, once again, proving you never graduated from college.

One doesn't have to be a Buddhist to accept the wisdom of Buddhist writings. One doesn't have to be Muslim to accept the wisdom in Islamic writings. Similarly, one doesn't have to be a Christian to accept the wisdom written in the Gospels or other Biblical writings.
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I think the reason the teachings of Jesus, Confucius, Siddhartha Buddha, Plato were so potent and appealing is they were able to reach a part of inner conscience that somehow intuitively recognizes justice and absolute truths even if our 'Id' resists acting on it.
 
Cypress said:
I think the reason the teachings of Jesus, Confucius, Siddhartha Buddha, Plato were so potent and appealing is they were able to reach a part of inner conscience that somehow intuitively recognizes justice and absolute truths even if our 'Id' resists acting on it.
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absolute truths.

wow. sounds like bullshit.

do you mean morality being rational?

what do you mean?
 
Cypress said:
If there is anything even intelligent laypersons know about Nietchze is that he said two things: God is dead, and Christian ethics is a slave morality that only serves to protect and privilege the weak and mediocre.
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he lamented god being dead.

and it;s good(morality) that makes the Uber man Uber, not an embrace of evil, and nihilism.
 
Cypress said:
I think the reason the teachings of Jesus, Confucius, Siddhartha Buddha, Plato were so potent and appealing is they were able to reach a part of inner conscience that somehow intuitively recognizes justice and absolute truths even if our 'Id' resists acting on it.
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Collectively, human beings seem capable of recognizing fundamental truths about the human condition. This includes other writings too such as John Donne's "No man is an island" and the Declaration of Independence.

No Man Is An Island by John Donne

Read, review and discuss the No Man Is An Island poem by John Donne on Poetry.com
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No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.
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Declaration of Independence: A Transcription

Note: The following text is a transcription of the Stone Engraving of the parchment Declaration of Independence (the document on display in the Rotunda at the National Archives Museum.) The spelling and punctuation reflects the original.
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...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security....
 
Truck Fump / h1b said:
he lamented god being dead.

and it;s good(morality) that makes the Uber man Uber, not an embrace of evil, and nihilism.
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I typically don't think it's wise to take advice on how to live one's life from someone who went totally insane in their 40s, like Nietchze did.

I didn't say anything about evil, but Nietchze did. He famously wrote a book called Beyond Good and Evil, and Nietchze generally thought morality was subjective. Uberman was the result of the individual pursuit of excellence and self-actualization, which wasn't possible under Christian ethics because it was supposedly a slave morality
 
Cypress said:
I typically don't think it's wise to take advice on how to live one's life from someone who went totally insane in their 40s, like Nietchze did.

I didn't say anything about evil, but Nietchze did. He famously wrote a book called Beyond Good and Evil, and Nietchze generally thought morality was subjective. Uberman was the result of the individual pursuit of excellence and self-actualization, which wasn't possible under Christian ethics because it was a slave morality
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you think he thought excellence meant criminality and exploitation?
 
Truck Fump / h1b said:
you only like collectivist things because you know those will always be hijacked by elitist totalitarians and that's what you are.
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^^^
Need anyone need more proof that Fredo would make a good patsy?

Fredo, have you written your manifesto yet? The one with a lot of rants about globalists and elitist totalitarians like these guys?:

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Western Mortality is quite simple the Good Guys wear the White Hat and always win in the End!
The Bad guys wear a Black Hat (and or Red) and always go down in the End!
 
Dutch Uncle said:
^^^
Need anyone need more proof that Fredo would make a good patsy?

Fredo, have you written your manifesto yet? The one with a lot of rants about globalists and elitist totalitarians like these guys?:

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like you.
:truestory:
Dutch Uncle said:
^^^
Need anyone need more proof that Fredo would make a good patsy?

Fredo, have you written your manifesto yet? The one with a lot of rants about globalists and elitist totalitarians like these guys?:

9ii5gv.jpg
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I said collectivist, not democratic.

there are collectivists on the right too, they're corporatists who believe corporations should run the world and the constitution doesn't matter at all.
 
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