The "Minutemen": a confluence of xenophobia and embezzlement

Cypress

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Minuteman's high-tech border barrier called 'a cow fence'

COCHISE COUNTY, Arizona (CNN) -- It was supposed to be 14 feet high and topped with razor wire. It was also supposed to send a message to Washington that if the government wouldn't seal off the southern border, volunteers could.

Almost two years later, the reality is a five-strand barbed-wire barrier that ranchers dismiss as a mere cattle fence.

The fence to help stop illegal immigration was the dream of Chris Simcox, the founder and president of the Minuteman Defense Corps.

On the Minuteman Web site and in e-mails to members, Simcox asked for donations while making big promises, including a vow to build a fence along the border. It was not just any fence; it was to be 2,000 miles of state-of-the-art fencing at a cost of $55 million.

Simcox described it as "our high-tech, double-layered gauntlet of deterrent."

The fence was described on the Minuteman Web site as 14 feet high, with security cameras and sensors, topped with razor wire and flanked by ditches to stop vehicles. Simcox referred to it as an "Israeli-style" fence, similar to the barrier Israel has erected to keep Palestinians from crossing from the West Bank.

Donations started flowing in. One man actually mortgaged his home and contributed more than $100,000. And on Memorial Day of last year, there was a groundbreaking ceremony on John Ladd's Arizona ranch. But what the Minutemen were building was not a tall, Israeli-style fence.

Former member Bob Wright said, "It wasn't until they actually started the ceremony that it became clear. It was gonna be a cow fence!"

As a group, these leaders started to question Simcox about how donations were being spent. They wanted to him to provide specifics as to how much money was being raised and how it was being used.

"To this day, we still don't know how much the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps has raised. We don't have a clue, not a clue," Wright said.

They said they wanted to know why the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps was not spending money to help volunteers patrol the borders.

"We needed equipment, and we were not getting equipment," Jones said.

They demanded that Simcox meet them in person to address their concerns and answer their questions. They say he refused to meet with them and subsequently fired them.

And what happened to all the money donated to the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps is in question.

Simcox posted his group's most recent tax filing and an independent audit on the Minuteman Web site. In the audit, the largest expense listed, by far, is for "professional services," with no further details given.

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20071107140143198
 
Immigration could be a huge negative for dems, hopefully they will at least play the anti-illegal card in words.
 
Immigration could be a huge negative for dems, hopefully they will at least play the anti-illegal card in words.
If they don't they will have a far more difficult row to hoe than they think. That guy in that special election got closer than he ever should have to gaining that seat in such a heavily democrat district. Of course, if they do just "talk" it, they'll have problems as well. They'll have to do a balancing act.
 
If they don't they will have a far more difficult row to hoe than they think. That guy in that special election got closer than he ever should have to gaining that seat in such a heavily democrat district. Of course, if they do just "talk" it, they'll have problems as well. They'll have to do a balancing act.


What guy?
 
they must be underestimating how pissed middle america is about it or Hillary wouldn't be supporting the moron in NY.
 
they must be underestimating how pissed middle america is about it or Hillary wouldn't be supporting the moron in NY.
In one poll it was shown to be a greater concern than the war in Iraq. They are seriously missing the target on this one.
 
Immigration could be a huge negative for dems, hopefully they will at least play the anti-illegal card in words.


It didn't work in 2006, I doubt fear mongering about this issue will work in 2008. Its a problem, but Most sane People are concerned more about other crap.
 
It didn't work in 2006, I doubt fear mongering about this issue will work in 2008. Its a problem, but Most sane People are concerned more about other crap.

So one is not sane to think the failure of the federal government to do one of its major duties is a worthy topic?
 
I live 35 miles from the Mexican border. What is this problem you speak of? Illegals bring HUGE money to people in the US. Farmers don't want them to go away, businesses don't want them to go away. Upper middle class americans don't want their maids and their lawn people to go away. The landscaping companies from Texas to California that hire them as day laborers don't want them to go away. Some politicians have painted this as a huge problem that is costing us all our jobs and that so many of them get public assistance. Both statements are BULLSHIT. You don't get federal funds if you give welfare to illegals. The feds are real clear on that. Some states, like california and New Mexico have some state funded programs that illegals can qualify for. They do this because Illegals contribute to their economies more than they take. This is another case of fear mongering.
 
I live 35 miles from the Mexican border. What is this problem you speak of? Illegals bring HUGE money to people in the US. Farmers don't want them to go away, businesses don't want them to go away. Upper middle class americans don't want their maids and their lawn people to go away. The landscaping companies from Texas to California that hire them as day laborers don't want them to go away. Some politicians have painted this as a huge problem that is costing us all our jobs and that so many of them get public assistance. Both statements are BULLSHIT. You don't get federal funds if you give welfare to illegals. The feds are real clear on that. Some states, like california and New Mexico have some state funded programs that illegals can qualify for. They do this because Illegals contribute to their economies more than they take. This is another case of fear mongering.

There has been plenty of documentation of the cost of illegals so trying to claim "fear mongering" doesn't cut it.

I am well aware of the jobs illegals do and the need for their labor thus I don't fall into the camp of all illegals must leave. But to discuss having some type of worker exchange program where legally people can come and perform the duties we need performed is not "fear mongering" imo. That's discussing rational policy.

But you two can feel free to continue to call it not sane and fear mongering.
 
cypress immigration is not fear mongering
well over 70% of america is strongly against illegal immigration.
And dems better give it at least lip service or they will blow the chance of a quarter century:clink:
 
I live 35 miles from the Mexican border. What is this problem you speak of? Illegals bring HUGE money to people in the US. Farmers don't want them to go away, businesses don't want them to go away. Upper middle class americans don't want their maids and their lawn people to go away. The landscaping companies from Texas to California that hire them as day laborers don't want them to go away. Some politicians have painted this as a huge problem that is costing us all our jobs and that so many of them get public assistance. Both statements are BULLSHIT. You don't get federal funds if you give welfare to illegals. The feds are real clear on that. Some states, like california and New Mexico have some state funded programs that illegals can qualify for. They do this because Illegals contribute to their economies more than they take. This is another case of fear mongering.

SANITY !!!

Thank the Gods
 
Has anyone ever noticed that almost all of the racist immigrant hating xenophobes live in rural areas and probably have never even talked to a Mexican, but pretend like it's as big a problem AIDS and world hunger?

Illegal immigrants kill ten million a year!
 
There has been plenty of documentation of the cost of illegals so trying to claim "fear mongering" doesn't cut it.

I am well aware of the jobs illegals do and the need for their labor thus I don't fall into the camp of all illegals must leave. But to discuss having some type of worker exchange program where legally people can come and perform the duties we need performed is not "fear mongering" imo. That's discussing rational policy.

But you two can feel free to continue to call it not sane and fear mongering.

Free trade always benefits more than it takes away. Even if illegals used our resources at the rate of regular Americans (not nearly) and didn't pay taxes (the vast majority of them do) they wouldn't cost a tenth as much as they contribute.
 
Guess who had Chris Simcox appear as his special guest to his birthday celebration last year .. Ron Paul.

Simcox is a convicted felon whose own 14 year old daughter accused him of trying to sexually molest her. Simcox says that he was just giving her a "leg massage" :shock:

Simcox is a racist hispanic hater who once said about them, "They have no problem slitting your throat and taking your money or selling drugs to your kids or raping your daughter and they are evil people."

He lost custody of his son from a different marriage because he was violent and prone to sudden rages.

He's said that he's seen Chinese troops massed along the Mexican border.

RON PAUL'S OTHER UNLOVELY GUEST
http://www.offthekuff.com/mt/archives/2006_08.html
 
Guess who had Chris Simcox appear as his special guest to his birthday celebration last year .. Ron Paul.

Simcox is a convicted felon whose own 14 year old daughter accused him of trying to sexually molest her. Simcox says that he was just giving her a "leg massage" :shock:

Simcox is a racist hispanic hater who once said about them, "They have no problem slitting your throat and taking your money or selling drugs to your kids or raping your daughter and they are evil people."

He lost custody of his son from a different marriage because he was violent and prone to sudden rages.

He's said that he's seen Chinese troops massed along the Mexican border.

RON PAUL'S OTHER UNLOVELY GUEST
http://www.offthekuff.com/mt/archives/2006_08.html

Cool, another thread about Ron Paul! :rolleyes:
 
Simcox is a convicted felon whose own 14 year old daughter accused him of trying to sexually molest her. Simcox says that he was just giving her a "leg massage"

LMAO!

Maybe he embezzled all that money for legal fees.
 
Minuteman's high-tech border barrier called 'a cow fence'

COCHISE COUNTY, Arizona (CNN) -- It was supposed to be 14 feet high and topped with razor wire. It was also supposed to send a message to Washington that if the government wouldn't seal off the southern border, volunteers could.

Almost two years later, the reality is a five-strand barbed-wire barrier that ranchers dismiss as a mere cattle fence.

The fence to help stop illegal immigration was the dream of Chris Simcox, the founder and president of the Minuteman Defense Corps.

On the Minuteman Web site and in e-mails to members, Simcox asked for donations while making big promises, including a vow to build a fence along the border. It was not just any fence; it was to be 2,000 miles of state-of-the-art fencing at a cost of $55 million.

Simcox described it as "our high-tech, double-layered gauntlet of deterrent."

The fence was described on the Minuteman Web site as 14 feet high, with security cameras and sensors, topped with razor wire and flanked by ditches to stop vehicles. Simcox referred to it as an "Israeli-style" fence, similar to the barrier Israel has erected to keep Palestinians from crossing from the West Bank.

Donations started flowing in. One man actually mortgaged his home and contributed more than $100,000. And on Memorial Day of last year, there was a groundbreaking ceremony on John Ladd's Arizona ranch. But what the Minutemen were building was not a tall, Israeli-style fence.

Former member Bob Wright said, "It wasn't until they actually started the ceremony that it became clear. It was gonna be a cow fence!"

As a group, these leaders started to question Simcox about how donations were being spent. They wanted to him to provide specifics as to how much money was being raised and how it was being used.

"To this day, we still don't know how much the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps has raised. We don't have a clue, not a clue," Wright said.

They said they wanted to know why the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps was not spending money to help volunteers patrol the borders.

"We needed equipment, and we were not getting equipment," Jones said.

They demanded that Simcox meet them in person to address their concerns and answer their questions. They say he refused to meet with them and subsequently fired them.

And what happened to all the money donated to the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps is in question.

Simcox posted his group's most recent tax filing and an independent audit on the Minuteman Web site. In the audit, the largest expense listed, by far, is for "professional services," with no further details given.

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20071107140143198


You know what...I don't feel the least bit sorry for the guy who mortgaged his house to donate 100,000 to this. In fact, I laugh at him. Good.
 
Guess who had Chris Simcox appear as his special guest to his birthday celebration last year .. Ron Paul.

Simcox is a convicted felon whose own 14 year old daughter accused him of trying to sexually molest her. Simcox says that he was just giving her a "leg massage" :shock:

Simcox is a racist hispanic hater who once said about them, "They have no problem slitting your throat and taking your money or selling drugs to your kids or raping your daughter and they are evil people."

He lost custody of his son from a different marriage because he was violent and prone to sudden rages.

He's said that he's seen Chinese troops massed along the Mexican border.

RON PAUL'S OTHER UNLOVELY GUEST
http://www.offthekuff.com/mt/archives/2006_08.html

Eww. This is so gross. A father giving his 14 year old daughter a leg massage? Christ.
 
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