In the past year, 19 new laws and two executive orders were issued in 14 states to create stricter voter identification requirements. These measures were supported and passed largely by Republicans after gaining control of state legislatures and governors' offices in 2010. Their aim is to constrict the electorate for 2012 and beyond. Voter-suppression efforts take one of two complementary forms: restricting ballot access by enacting new or stronger identification requirements for voters to register, and limiting the time window during which voters can register, such as eliminating same-day registration and voting. In either form, ballot restrictions disproportionately disfranchise poorer and nonwhite voters, as well as senior citizens and college-age students. http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-schaller-fraud-20111213,0,4795683.column
You keep pushing these moronic comparisons. Here, let me dumb it down for you......in NO STATE in America can any joker just walk in off the streets and vote...there is a SYSTEM that exists which identifies citizens by location, party affiliation, etc. Before you vote, you're either sent a notification card, or you can present combinations of or single various forms of ID (utility bills, non-driver ID, driver's license, passport, etc.), which is checked before you're allowed into the booth. As it has been PROVEN on this board by several valid and documented sources, the amount of ACTUAL voter fraud across the country is some miniscule sub fraction (as no system is perfect)....hardly the rampant threat the GOP is wailing about.
AGAIN, passing additional laws that make it MORE difficult and expensive for people to register to vote (even with people who ARE registered citizens and have been voting for YEARS) is NOT a solution, let alone necessary. It is in fact just a ruse by the GOP to reduce the number of voters for 2012 and the short term beyond, as it is an historic FACT that the GOP does BETTER with a low voter turn out.
Now, if you can logically and factually disprove what I just stated, then have at it. But if you're just going to stubbornly regurgitate the drug addled nonsense you've already posted, I won't waste anymore time on you. Carry on.
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
You keep pushing these moronic comparisons. Here, let me dumb it down for you......in NO STATE in America can any joker just walk in off the streets and vote...there is a SYSTEM that exists which identifies citizens by location, party affiliation, etc. Before you vote, you're either sent a notification card, or you can present combinations of or single various forms of ID (utility bills, non-driver ID, driver's license, passport, etc.), which is checked before you're allowed into the booth. As it has been PROVEN on this board by several valid and documented sources, the amount of ACTUAL voter fraud across the country is some miniscule sub fraction (as no system is perfect)....hardly the rampant threat the GOP is wailing about.
AGAIN, passing additional laws that make it MORE difficult and expensive for people to register to vote (even with people who ARE registered citizens and have been voting for YEARS) is NOT a solution, let alone necessary. It is in fact just a ruse by the GOP to reduce the number of voters for 2012 and the short term beyond, as it is an historic FACT that the GOP does BETTER with a low voter turn out.
Now, if you can logically and factually disprove what I just stated, then have at it. But if you're just going to stubbornly regurgitate the drug addled nonsense you've already posted, I won't waste anymore time on you. Carry on.
california does not require id, just a signed statement of who you are and where you reside to register and another stating your name address and party affiliation when voting in person
absentee ballots are mailed and once more a signature saying you voted the ballot
One need not summon Sherlock Holmes to explain why Republicans, losers of the popular vote in four of the past five presidential elections, have a greater vested interest in ballot restriction measures: Constricting the electorate improves their electoral fortunes.
Like gerrymandering, voter identification is an attempt by strategic politicians to pick their voters, rather than the other way around.
In effect, Republicans are admitting they're not sure they can win elections by offering better policies or stronger leadership.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/opinion/oped/bs-ed-schaller-fraud-20111213,0,4795683.column
Taichimoron why are id's ok for insurance but not voting u hackish simpleton.
What do you agree with republicans on if anything?
http://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?37176-The-myth-of-voter-fraud&p=933594#post933594
For someone who swears he's not just another teabagging, neocon windbag...the "Dude" is doing one hell of an
Once I've reduced these Teabagger/neocon/libertarian toadies to just being cranks repeating their lies, dodges and distortions while ignoring responses, I toss them into the dumpster where they belong. I leave the "Dude" to following me around just hoping someone will pay attention to his groans, as the chronology of the posts shows he has little else to offer.
the laws must have changed since i first registered to vote and i vote via absentee ballot these days - i am 66 and have voted in ca for decades
even when i moved, i just received a card that had my new address asking if that was me and was the new address valid - i did not have to reply to the card if the facts were correct
when i last voted in person, i did not have to show an id
Well, the laws are what I posted, and as for your individual case....are you saying you just walked in off the streets and voted without signing anything and without any verification? When was the last time you voted in person?
i walked in off the street and told them who i was and what party affiliation (independent) and signed the voter roll and voted, i was already registeredOriginally Posted by Taichiliberal
Well, the laws are what I posted, and as for your individual case....are you saying you just walked in off the streets and voted without signing anything and without any verification? When was the last time you voted in person?
So you were registered....which means your previous signature from past votes/original registration was on record for the monitor to check before you entered the voting both....same thing that goes on in my home town on Long Island, New York. Not the world most air tight security, but certainly not one prone to the rampant voter fraud that the GOP is trying to sell the country on. Just glad were on the same wave length here.
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
So you were registered....which means your previous signature from past votes/original registration was on record for the monitor to check before you entered the voting both....same thing that goes on in my home town on Long Island, New York. Not the world most air tight security, but certainly not one prone to the rampant voter fraud that the GOP is trying to sell the country on. Just glad were on the same wave length here.
Republican officials in more than 30 states have approved new restrictions on voting in recent years, including seven states where Americans will be required to show photo ID before they’re allowed to participate in an election. It’s a little something called the “war on voting”; it may keep 5 million eligible voters from casting a ballot in 2012; and as Richard Hasen, an election law expert at UC Irvine, explained this week, the new Republican rules “could easily decide the outcome” of next year’s election.
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/political-animal/2011_11/pushing_back_against_the_gops033229.php