The National Collaborativist Thread

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I'm still working on the specifics...so far I have an idea, and like any idea it still has some rough edges to work on.

However, I feel that a strong government with a healthy respect for civil liberties can also cleanse the problems that still persist in democracy. The delays and deliberations can be as much of a problem as they can ensure liberty.

The delays and deliberations make eradicating something difficult.

That can be a good thing and a bad thing.

But I'll take a little higher instance of robbery if it means that if the government goes apeshit and bans some random harmless thing someday it can continue OK underground.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Like Jews, for instance.

 

[gonzojournals]

Like Jews, for instance.

Ah, but fascism was originally not the evil thing that it has been associated with....originally it was a "third way" between corrupt governments and crazy socialists.

Thus, it is still viable as a third option so long as the mistakes of the past are studied and steps are taken to avoid such unpleasantries.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Yep fascism gets a pretty bad rap.

 

[gonzojournals]

Yep fascism gets a pretty bad rap.

Probably a sarcastic statement, but yes, it does, when the actual philosophy is absolutely brilliant.

 

[Beefy]

Gonzo, i like you, but you're a bad debator, and you run away a lot.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Beefy, I like you, and I don't mean to insult you in anyway, but you're a cocksucking *expletive* fucker trapped on an all Asian island.

 

[Litmus]

How can a movement be authoritarian without infringing on basic rights?

It could be you have a nice guy totalitarian, who insists on all kind of freedoms for his subjects which cannot be removed by the democratic process. This is actually the ideal. Most people in a position to be the tyrant are generally not nice.

This is alsow why democracy isn't necessarily ideal, especially when people become brainwashed and fall for stupid ideas.

 

[Litmus]

Ah, but fascism was originally not the evil thing that it has been associated with....originally it was a "third way" between corrupt governments and crazy socialists.

Thus, it is still viable as a third option so long as the mistakes of the past are studied and steps are taken to avoid such unpleasantries.

What are you referring to, racial supremacy? You need to examine the zionists in charge of our fascism.

Modern fascism has all the collectivist problems of socialism, but it admits there will be slaves, and makes no pretense of equality or fairness. Socialism was always fascism under the covers.

 

[gonzojournals]

Gonzo, i like you, but you're a bad debator, and you run away a lot.

I went to bed, it was like 3 AM...maybe I am a bad debator

 

[gonzojournals]

What are you referring to, racial supremacy? You need to examine the zionists in charge of our fascism.

Modern fascism has all the collectivist problems of socialism, but it admits there will be slaves, and makes no pretense of equality or fairness. Socialism was always fascism under the covers.

I think class collaboration is a slightly more complex issue than "admit[ting] there will be slaves".

 

[Litmus]

I think class collaboration is a slightly more complex issue than "admit[ting] there will be slaves".

Class collaboration? Is that what they're calling feudalism these days?

 

[gonzojournals]

Class collaboration? Is that what they're calling feudalism these days?

I didn't realise that capitalism was feudalism...perhaps you would be so kind as to explain.

 

[Litmus]

I didn't realise that capitalism was feudalism...perhaps you would be so kind as to explain.

Better yet, you explain what "class collaborationism" is.

 

[Litmus]

Or National collaborativist. WTF are you talking about? Can you explain it?

And capitalism becomes feudalism when a select elite is allowed to CREATE money out of thin air for whatever their agenda is and then warp society correspondingly.

 

[gonzojournals]

Or National collaborativist. WTF are you talking about? Can you explain it?

And capitalism becomes feudalism when a select elite is allowed to CREATE money out of thin air for whatever their agenda is and then warp society correspondingly.

National collaborativism is my own name for my own philosophy.


Class collaboration is the fascist theory (in response to Marxism) that socioeconomic class is inevitable, and that the best a society can do is ease the tension between the classes rather than trying to eliminate the distinction.

And clearly you have no understanding of the concept of feudalism...

Perhaps what you are trying to say is that capitalism breeds poor people and can mirror the conditions of the serfs in the Middle Ages (although the serfs would be envious of our poor today, I think), but that is still a far-cry from being able to call our modern society feudal.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I don't get the difference between inflating money and using it and taxing money.

Either way, new money doesn't go into the general government budget, so it's kind of a moot point. In fact, considering that, it actually makes the money the government is taxing worth less.

 

[Litmus]

I don't get the difference between inflating money and using it and taxing money.

Either way, new money doesn't go into the general government budget, so it's kind of a moot point. In fact, considering that, it actually makes the money the government is taxing worth less.

It gets to be worth less over time, definitely, but they just keep making more and more. individuals have to actually work for it, therefore they get screwed the most.

 

[Litmus]

National collaborativism is my own name for my own philosophy.

Could you decribe it?

Class collaboration is the fascist theory (in response to Marxism) that socioeconomic class is inevitable, and that the best a society can do is ease the tension between the classes rather than trying to eliminate the distinction.

And the way they EASE tension is to make it seem an act of god, or divine right that the current elite should be elite forever. Upward mobility becomes psychologically off limits. The death of hope occurs.

And clearly you have no understanding of the concept of feudalism...

Perhaps what you are trying to say is that capitalism breeds poor people and can mirror the conditions of the serfs in the Middle Ages (although the serfs would be envious of our poor today, I think), but that is still a far-cry from being able to call our modern society feudal.

Wait a few years.

 

[gonzojournals]

Could you decribe it?

Certainly...that a strong (basically totalitarian government) is the next step for government to take in order to preserve domestic interests, while using the former democratic process as a tool to achieve civil liberty...however, once that civil liberty is achieved the government is able to assume a sort of benevolent dictatorship that strives both to uphold the State as the supreme entity while allowing the individual the same freedoms (and more) that would be allowed under a traditional democratic government structure.

And the way they EASE tension is to make it seem an act of god, or divine right that the current elite should be elite forever. Upward mobility becomes psychologically off limits. The death of hope occurs.

No, they ease the tensions by accepting the fact that the elite will be elite and that dragging the elite down to the same level as the poor will make no one happy; instead, the lower classes are protected by the government instead of labour unions and other Marxist garbage, while the opportunity for upward mobility is still maintained.

Wait a few years.

So I am to expect that in a few years we will both adopt Monarchy as our system of government and that the populace will be divided into feudal lords that have sworn fealty to said Monarch, while the population as a whole will revert to serfdom? You should lay off the peyote, my friend.

If you want an example of the reality that feudalism is a concept alien to the modern era, simply look to Russian history--- Russia maintained a feudal society longer than any other country on Earth (several hundred years longer than most) and the result was a bloody revolution that allowed the Marxists to seize power.