APP - The Norwegian prison where inmates are treated like people

tekkychick said:
As it turns out, the data contradicts you. Rehab reduces recidivism. Apparently you would rather pay a lot more money to keep locking people up.

Of course, most of what you listed has nothing to do with rehab.

But TVs, gyms, classes on yoga, AA, etc are critical to keep peace and order in prisons; and then educational classes and classes on how to cope on the outside are essential to keep people from coming back in; and working/gaining skills in prison also helps.

Locking a bunch of people up in a building with no outlet - no TV, no work, no classes, no gym -is a recipe for riot.
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It's a giant middle finger to their victims, many of whom can no longer enjoy those amenities. The classes I'm fine with.
 
Honestly, if it takes TVs, gyms, escorts, massage therapists, personal chefs, manicurists, and aestheticians, in order for them not to be recidivists, then there's a far cheaper way to deal with these fuck-ups.
 
Carlos Danger said:
Honestly, if it takes TVs, gyms, escorts, massage therapists, personal chefs, manicurists, and aestheticians, in order for them not to be recidivists, then there's a far cheaper way to deal with these fuck-ups.
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You are five times more likely to be imprisoned in the US than the UK and we imprison more than any other country in the EU.
 
Carlos Danger said:
It's a giant middle finger to their victims, many of whom can no longer enjoy those amenities. The classes I'm fine with.
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Now wait a second 3d...I have to disagree with you...at least to a point. While I don't go for the hippie dippie stuff(except for yoga...it relaxes the body and mind), teaching them marketable skills is a must....psychoanalysis and treatment is a must.

Most criminals aren't born that way....they are made by systematic abuses...either directly from their caregivers, or indirectly from society by way of poverty and lack of hope.

I also think that there's a small, but significant section of our criminal population that is unique.....middle class offspring who have had two parents working their whole lives and didn't get the love, affection and attention that they needed.
 
Carlos Danger said:
Honestly, if it takes TVs, gyms, escorts, massage therapists, personal chefs, manicurists, and aestheticians, in order for them not to be recidivists, then there's a far cheaper way to deal with these fuck-ups.
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You're setting up a false situation here, though.

Yes, it takes TVs and gyms and rec periods to keep them from going crazy while locked up.

It takes classes - yoga, AA, wood working, GED, budgeting, etc - to get them healthy - i.e. not addicted; able to cope in the outside world; and able to get jobs.

No one is talking about chefs and manicurists and whatnot - although prisoners often do give each other manicures and what not, no one is talking about the state providing those.

If we don't do these things, we end up with a permanent criminal class that preys on the rest of us.

There are things we invest in as a society - such as public schools - because in the long run it makes a more stable society.

Studies out there show recidivism is lessened - and our costs are lessened - when we treat prisoners humanely and work to get them able to function in society.

A California study (that I should have bookmarked) showed that when the state cut way back on early release programs for good behavior - well, inmates stopped behaving well. They had no incentive to take classes or work or whatever, so they stopped doing all that, started acting up more, and it cost us more both in terms of $$ and longer sentences and more guards AND in having inmates less ready to function outside.
 
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