The NRA's offensive hypocrisy

GaryDog said:
The 2nd Amendment argument is bunk to begin with. The one and only reason people fight so hard for the "right" to carry or own guns is because.....guns are fun. They think they're cool. That's really the only rational argument you can make.

And to date, we think this level of "fun" is worth the price of some 30,000 people annually.
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Crap, you mean I've been missing out on fun all these years? Dammit! Gun store here I come.
 
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Rana said:
That is disturbing.
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I keep hearing that the Second Amendment protects the right of the citizen to rise up against the government if they're frustrated.

The NRA is committed to protecting the rights of all Americans to shoot, and shoot, and shoot.

They have endorsed Trump and are spending millions on ads on his behalf.

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christiefan915 said:
When will the organization demand justice for black gun owners shot by police?

Right in the midst of a national outrage over a video of police in Louisiana shooting Alton Sterling while holding him on the ground, yet another video of a police shooting of a black man has come out. This video, filmed in Falcon Heights, Minnesota, shows a man named Philando Castile writhing in pain with blood splattered all over his car while his girlfriend says that a police officer shot Castile after asking Castile, responding to requests for his license, reached for his wallet. Castile later died of his wounds.

...what these two videos have in common is the police in question excuse their actions by citing the presence of a gun.

Here are two American citizens that were killed while doing what the NRA claims is a constitutional right. Surely this must be a gross injustice in the eyes of the NRA! Surely they will be demanding action, petitioning congressmen, demanding the Department of Justice to step forward and make sure that every American has a right to arm themselves without fear of being gunned down by the police! Right?

But while progressive Twitter is all about protesting these deaths, if you go to the NRA Twitter feed, this is what you’ll find: Whining about Matt Damon’s gun opinions. Harping on some impolitic words from a community college professor. Putting up some free advertising for Remington.

What you do get, however, is some overt race-baiting from the NRA, tweets that unsubtly try to imply to their largely white audience that they are in danger of being victimized, mostly by people of color, and that they need to arm themselves in response.

But when it comes to the deaths of these two Americans who appear to be killed while exercising their legal right to carry guns? Crickets.

http://www.salon.com/2016/07/07/nra..._justice_for_black_gun_owners_shot_by_police/
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what these two videos have in common is the police in question excuse their actions by citing the presence of a gun.
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What these two deaths have in common is that neither has anything to do with the NRA
 
cawacko said:
I do not disagree at all that anyone can snap but history has shown us very very few have snapped and gone out to shoot eleven cops (assuming he was the only shooter).
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This hothead is a Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy. He couldn't just ask the men to move their car or at worst, call the police. He had to grab his metal courage to show them who was boss. What if he deliberately or accidentally fired, wounding or killing one of the men? Maybe when you don't have a gun you rely on other, non-dangerous methods, to defuse a situation.


Police in Fairfax County are investigating a violent incident caught on camera, seemingly showing a Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy threatening a group of young men with a gun.The man arguing with the men came out of a home, that according to public records, is owned by Karnig Ohannessian – a Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy (Environment).

According to one of the young men in the video, they were at a friend’s house for a barbeque in Burke, Virginia when the incident occurred on June 11. One of the men told WUSA9 that Ohannessian began yelling at them for being noisy and parking on the street outside of his home. They say Ohannessian attacked them, they argued back, and Ohannessian went inside and retrieved a gun. That’s when one of the young men pulled out their phone and started to recording. In the video, Ohannessian can be heard accusing the three of being drunk.

He orders them to leave the area, as one woman, believed to be his wife – tries to calm the situation.
http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/vir...ra-threatening-young-men-with-a-gun/264846566
 
christiefan915 said:
This hothead is a Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy. He couldn't just ask the men to move their car or at worst, call the police. He had to grab his metal courage to show them who was boss. What if he deliberately or accidentally fired, wounding or killing one of the men? Maybe when you don't have a gun you rely on other, non-dangerous methods, to defuse a situation.


Police in Fairfax County are investigating a violent incident caught on camera, seemingly showing a Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy threatening a group of young men with a gun.The man arguing with the men came out of a home, that according to public records, is owned by Karnig Ohannessian – a Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy (Environment).

According to one of the young men in the video, they were at a friend’s house for a barbeque in Burke, Virginia when the incident occurred on June 11. One of the men told WUSA9 that Ohannessian began yelling at them for being noisy and parking on the street outside of his home. They say Ohannessian attacked them, they argued back, and Ohannessian went inside and retrieved a gun. That’s when one of the young men pulled out their phone and started to recording. In the video, Ohannessian can be heard accusing the three of being drunk.

He orders them to leave the area, as one woman, believed to be his wife – tries to calm the situation.
http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/vir...ra-threatening-young-men-with-a-gun/264846566
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Not charged by police. Sigh
 
Ohannessian can be seen in the video pointing a gun at young men he says are drunk and making noise outside his house in the Washington suburbs.

Ohannessian tells the boys to get in their car, to which one of them responds: "You're pointing a gun at my friend. This is a criminal offense, so please stop it."

The men taunt him while one of them records the incident.

"Be thankful you have a gun, man," one of the boys tells Ohannessian as he continues to brandish the weapon. "It shows what kind of a [expletive] you are."

It's unclear if the gun is loaded, but in the footage Ohannessian threatens to use it.

"I can shoot the [expletive] out of you guys right now," he says.
 
christiefan915 said:
Ohannessian can be seen in the video pointing a gun at young men he says are drunk and making noise outside his house in the Washington suburbs.

Ohannessian tells the boys to get in their car, to which one of them responds: "You're pointing a gun at my friend. This is a criminal offense, so please stop it."

The men taunt him while one of them records the incident.

"Be thankful you have a gun, man," one of the boys tells Ohannessian as he continues to brandish the weapon. "It shows what kind of a [expletive] you are."

It's unclear if the gun is loaded, but in the footage Ohannessian threatens to use it.

"I can shoot the [expletive] out of you guys right now," he says.
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They weren't even on his property, that's just bizarre! Unless something transpired before the video started.
 
The right of M E N like Ohannessian to brandish their metal manhood is protected by the Trump-endorsing NRA, the same people who protected the right of Micah Johnson to obtain the weapons he used to kill innocent people.
 
christiefan915 said:
This hothead is a Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy. He couldn't just ask the men to move their car or at worst, call the police. He had to grab his metal courage to show them who was boss. What if he deliberately or accidentally fired, wounding or killing one of the men? Maybe when you don't have a gun you rely on other, non-dangerous methods, to defuse a situation.


Police in Fairfax County are investigating a violent incident caught on camera, seemingly showing a Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy threatening a group of young men with a gun.The man arguing with the men came out of a home, that according to public records, is owned by Karnig Ohannessian – a Deputy Assistant Secretary of the Navy (Environment).

According to one of the young men in the video, they were at a friend’s house for a barbeque in Burke, Virginia when the incident occurred on June 11. One of the men told WUSA9 that Ohannessian began yelling at them for being noisy and parking on the street outside of his home. They say Ohannessian attacked them, they argued back, and Ohannessian went inside and retrieved a gun. That’s when one of the young men pulled out their phone and started to recording. In the video, Ohannessian can be heard accusing the three of being drunk.

He orders them to leave the area, as one woman, believed to be his wife – tries to calm the situation.
http://www.wusa9.com/news/local/vir...ra-threatening-young-men-with-a-gun/264846566
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Ok. You're basically asking to ban guns then. Leaving aside that owning guns is a constitutional right there are 300 million guns or something in the U.S. Chances of the gov't removing all of them isn't good. And to think if we did ban guns that they still wouldn't end up here is basically equivalent to thinking building a wall on our southern border will prevent people from coming into the country. Just not going to happen.
 
No sense in regulating something as popular as guns. I mean, people are going to get them no matter what you do.

Why have laws at all? Someone will break them. That's what criminals do.
 
And this:


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I don't see the NRA taking these things down...and isn't that their late figurehead brandishing a firearm over the rationale for the Second Amendment?

It seems Trump-supporting hoplosexuals want to conveniently forget that they advocate killing government employees when they think they're being "tyrannized".

That's what Micah Johnson did.
 
cawacko said:
Ok. You're basically asking to ban guns then. Leaving aside that owning guns is a constitutional right there are 300 million guns or something in the U.S. Chances of the gov't removing all of them isn't good. And to think if we did ban guns that they still wouldn't end up here is basically equivalent to thinking building a wall on our southern border will prevent people from coming into the country. Just not going to happen.
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I'm saying that Ohannessian (or people like him) could have called the cops and reported the loud party, instead of waving a weapon at a couple of drunks and threatening to shoot the [...] out of them.
 
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