The Origin of Life

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Dixie - In Memoriam

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I wanted to start a new thread on this, because the old thread seems to be getting lost in minutia of semantics and confusion of the issue. For this thread, there can be no argument based on the theory of evolution, because evolution deals with living organisms and how they possibly evolve or change with time. The debate here is origin of life. In order to form a coherent argument for any theory of origin, you must articulate something pertaining to origination of life, and not the evolution of the already living.

It is important to note, anything posted here regarding origin of life, is speculation, because it is impossible to recreate the condition of no life, to test any theory. We aren't interested in "proving" one theory true or another theory false, as this is never the fundamental purpose of science. We are merely interested in examining the possibilities. In this examination, we can't conclude or proclaim anything definitively impossible, because again, we can't validate any theory regarding origin. It is impossible to prove how life originated, the best we can do is make an educated guess on how it may have occurred.

Accepting the obvious
We must, for the sake of this argument, establish obvious physical facts of reality. Organic matter exists, life exists in abundant forms and types on this planet. Science and physics of the universe are not bound to only what we presently understand regarding science and physics on earth. This planet, like all the others in our universe, is the product of some undefined event, yet a unique set of circumstances surround the creation of our environment. We have an atmosphere of mostly nitrogen, along with oxygen and hydrogen, and other trace gases. Carbon is the most abundant resource in our known universe.

Given those truisms, what is your "theory" regarding how life originated?
 
Dixie said:
I wanted to start a new thread on this, because the old thread seems to be getting lost in minutia of semantics and confusion of the issue. For this thread, there can be no argument based on the theory of evolution, because evolution deals with living organisms and how they possibly evolve or change with time. The debate here is origin of life. In order to form a coherent argument for any theory of origin, you must articulate something pertaining to origination of life, and not the evolution of the already living.

It is important to note, anything posted here regarding origin of life, is speculation, because it is impossible to recreate the condition of no life, to test any theory. We aren't interested in "proving" one theory true or another theory false, as this is never the fundamental purpose of science. We are merely interested in examining the possibilities. In this examination, we can't conclude or proclaim anything definitively impossible, because again, we can't validate any theory regarding origin. It is impossible to prove how life originated, the best we can do is make an educated guess on how it may have occurred.

Accepting the obvious
We must, for the sake of this argument, establish obvious physical facts of reality. Organic matter exists, life exists in abundant forms and types on this planet. Science and physics of the universe are not bound to only what we presently understand regarding science and physics on earth. This planet, like all the others in our universe, is the product of some undefined event, yet a unique set of circumstances surround the creation of our environment. We have an atmosphere of mostly nitrogen, along with oxygen and hydrogen, and other trace gases. Carbon is the most abundant resource in our known universe.

Given those truisms, what is your "theory" regarding how life originated?
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I'm cusrious as to why you would place this statement in your "truisms":

Carbon is the most abundant resource in our known universe.

Is it word-play where you are trying to nebulize the term "resource"?

Hydrogen is the most abundant element, or I could call it a "resource" because without it, water and thus life as we know it is not possible.

So, why did you say that?

And as for the origin of the universe, I still find beautiful, unending mystery in it. I have no theory on it other than I see intelligence and beauty everywhere I look in this Universe. It is a remarkable reality that we exist, and I think it is rather sophomoric to pretend to assign knowledge as to why it exists, regardless of belief or dogma.


We don't know. Bearded angry gods, mad scientists, no reason, no planning, none of them are any more or less valid than the next. Its like trying to assign a value to infinity, which we all know is impossible......




























....unless we're talking about 1/3.
 
Dixie said:
I wanted to start a new thread on this, because the old thread seems to be getting lost in minutia of semantics and confusion of the issue. For this thread, there can be no argument based on the theory of evolution, because evolution deals with living organisms and how they possibly evolve or change with time. The debate here is origin of life. In order to form a coherent argument for any theory of origin, you must articulate something pertaining to origination of life, and not the evolution of the already living.

It is important to note, anything posted here regarding origin of life, is speculation, because it is impossible to recreate the condition of no life, to test any theory. We aren't interested in "proving" one theory true or another theory false, as this is never the fundamental purpose of science. We are merely interested in examining the possibilities. In this examination, we can't conclude or proclaim anything definitively impossible, because again, we can't validate any theory regarding origin. It is impossible to prove how life originated, the best we can do is make an educated guess on how it may have occurred.

Accepting the obvious
We must, for the sake of this argument, establish obvious physical facts of reality. Organic matter exists, life exists in abundant forms and types on this planet. Science and physics of the universe are not bound to only what we presently understand regarding science and physics on earth. This planet, like all the others in our universe, is the product of some undefined event, yet a unique set of circumstances surround the creation of our environment. We have an atmosphere of mostly nitrogen, along with oxygen and hydrogen, and other trace gases. Carbon is the most abundant resource in our known universe.

Given those truisms, what is your "theory" regarding how life originated?
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We all sat around, collectively came up with a plan, then executed it. We then forced ourselves to only remember it when we were dead and entered our creation. Once all the energy is used up in this one, we'll do it all again with different plans...
 
Beefy said:
I'm cusrious as to why you would place this statement in your "truisms":

Carbon is the most abundant resource in our known universe.

Is it word-play where you are trying to nebulize the term "resource"?

Hydrogen is the most abundant element, or I could call it a "resource" because without it, water and thus life as we know it is not possible.

So, why did you say that?
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The structure of the carbon atom allows for chemical bonding with up to four other atoms, which makes possible the vast array of chemical arrangements in organic molecules. All life on Earth depends on organic molecules, the primary components of which are also some of the most abundant elements in the universe: carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, sulfur, and phosphorus.

So, what is you theory, based on these truisms? (It's not a trick question.)
 
Dixie, there are more compounds of carbon possible than with any other element - by far. But Hydrogen makes up more than half of the universe. You are confusing two seperate things.
 
Watermark said:
Dixie, there are more compounds of carbon possible than with any other element - by far. But Hydrogen makes up more than half of the universe. You are confusing two seperate things.
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I'm sorry, but this is not a debate thread on what elements are more prominent in our universe. It is common consensus that both hydrogen and carbon are abundant. The statement was made to establish known facts, so that we may then proceed with further argument. You appear to want to derail the topic and debate minutia once again, rather than the subject of the thread. I am not confused, I just posted that it is also true, hydrogen is in abundance in our universe. If it makes you feel better, hydrogen is more abundant than carbon as far as we know. However, that is not what this thread is about.
 
Dixie said:
I'm sorry, but this is not a debate thread on what elements are more prominent in our universe. It is common consensus that both hydrogen and carbon are abundant. The statement was made to establish known facts, so that we may then proceed with further argument. You appear to want to derail the topic and debate minutia once again, rather than the subject of the thread. I am not confused, I just posted that it is also true, hydrogen is in abundance in our universe. If it makes you feel better, hydrogen is more abundant than carbon as far as we know. However, that is not what this thread is about.
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Dix, Hydrogen is not only more abundant than carbon, it's MUCH more abundant than carbon, several hundred times so.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abundance_of_the_chemical_elements
 
HOW DARE YOU RESPOND TO A GRAVELY WRONG MINUTIA I STATED AS FACT!!!! YOU'RE JUST DERAILING THE SUBJECT BY SETTING ONE OF THE FACTS STRAIGHT IN A THREAD MOSTLY DEALING WITH SEVERAL TRUE FACTS!
 
yet a unique set of circumstances surround the creation of our environment.
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umm no... not very unique at all

"There could be one hundred billion Earth-like planets in our galaxy, a US conference has heard."

"But, based on the limited numbers of planets found so far, Dr Boss has estimated that each Sun-like star has on average one "Earth-like" planet. This simple calculation means there would be huge numbers capable of supporting life."


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7891132.stm


and that's just in our galaxy.


we are not special.


When you are dealing with trillions upon trillains of stars and billions and billions of years we are anything but an anomaly.
 
So this is what we're going to do? Debate the tangibles? I posted several things I thought everyone could agree on, as a basis to begin dialogue, but you people apparently want to debate those things instead of having a dialogue.

Grind, when I stated that our planet was unique, I meant that it has certain characteristics we don't find on other planets within our ability to observe. Meaning, we have an atmosphere conducive to life as we know and understand it, meaning we have a rotational wobble which enables seasons, and a moon which produces tides in oceans of water which are here because of atmospheric pressure. No one has discovered another planet "like" earth, they have found planets which are in relative proximity of their sun, like earth. It is possible the same life-sustaining conditions exist on these planets, but they are much too far away for us to make that determination.

Whether other planets are just like ours, is not what this thread is about. You are doing the same thing Waterhead is doing, and attempting to derail the topic off into a minutia debate of silliness. Please try to articulate some point on topic. We are discussing the origin of life, not which elements are more prevalent in our universe, or whether there is another planet like earth. Those things do not relate to what the topic of the thread is about, and serve as a mere distraction from the question at hand.
 
Dixie said:
It is possible the same life-sustaining conditions exist on these planets, but they are much too far away for us to make that determination.
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it's called statistics.

Those things do not relate to what the topic of the thread is about, and serve as a mere distraction from the question at hand.
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i think they do. You are making it more complicated than it has to be by pretending life is so complicated and the circumstances that led to it must be unimaginable. I don't believe that. I think with enough planets and enough time it's not hard for amino acids to get a shock of lighting and from those compounds more and more compounds build upon all of that. But of course, that is evolution and we are not allowed to talk about that either, even though evolution did play an INTEGRAL role in the very FORMATION of life, not just in species "after life began" as you claim.

It's the evolution of simple compounds into more complex compounds that brought upon life. But you are creating a smokescreen with all thee false premises in order to create a leading argument.

And lastly, if this is going to be a discussion on the origins of the universe (and not just life) you should say that. All I can say is we were in a singular point in space, in which time did not exist.
 
Grind said:
it's called statistics.



i think they do. You are making it more complicated than it has to be by pretending life is so complicated and the circumstances that led to it must be unimaginable. I don't believe that. I think with enough planets and enough time it's not hard for amino acids to get a shock of lighting and from those compounds more and more compounds build upon all of that. But of course, that is evolution and we are not allowed to talk about that either, even though evolution did play an INTEGRAL role in the very FORMATION of life, not just in species "after life began" as you claim.

It's the evolution of simple compounds into more complex compounds that brought upon life. But you are creating a smokescreen with all thee false premises in order to create a leading argument.

And lastly, if this is going to be a discussion on the origins of the universe (and not just life) you should say that. All I can say is we were in a singular point in space, in which time did not exist.
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But hold on a minute. What is your scientific basis to believe evolution of simple compounds into more complex compounds, resulting in the millions of life forms we have on earth? Evolution is about species changes through the process of natural selection, there is no evidence evolution resulted in transforming plants into animals, etc. I admit, ET is a very intriguing theory for how life that was already originated, may have changed and adapted to the environment, but it has nothing to do with how that life originated.

I've not created any smokescreen. I just tried to convey some common facts about our universe to form a starting point for discussion. Those details are not what this thread is about, anything I posted can be easily validated on the internet, so it's really not worthy of debate. I was merely trying to throw out some facts of the matter and set the table for discussion... We have earth, we have living organisms... we have carbon, hydrogen, and water... we know these things cause life to flourish on a planet with the conditions found on earth... let's go from there... what happened? how did non-organic matter become organic and generate millions of various forms of life? It's not a trick question, I am not "creating a smokescreen", I just want to hear some thoughts articulated on the actual ORIGIN of life, instead of the same old tired rhetoric about ET, pitted against ID, as if that is a valid argument.
 
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Natural forces cannot produce coherent information, such as that found in DNA. Information is always produced by a mind. When you are walking on a beach and you spot a sand castle, you know by examining it that it is the work of a mind. You'd never reach the conclusion that it was formed over time by wind and waves. That would be preposterous.

Where there is information, there was intelligence. It seems pretty obvious to me that all lifeforms are the work of a greater intelligence which set all things into order. When I look at the world around me, I can reach no other conclusion than that. But to each their own.
 
Dix, to speculate on the origin of life is just that, to speculate.

It is indeed the most profound question to those able to question it. So here is my theory, based on what is known and what we sentient folks can analyze.

The matter that makes up the universe has the property of being able to coalesce into life forms.

Why? We don't know. We don't know a lot of things. We still don't know WHY any of the forces work how they work. We don't know WHY anything does. We know how things work, but we do not know why. I don't, Einstein didn't, you don't and nobody else does.

Any idea is merely speculation, and no idea is more valid than any other until there is reason to believe so. And thus far, there is not a valid reason to describe the origin of life, other than it naturally occurs, because, it naturally occured.
 
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