The problem of evil

[Cypress]

First off: stop putting words into my mouth. I'm not an "objective" kind of classification guy.

Second: Can you tell me how many more times I will have to explain this to you? Will it be 100 or 200? Right now it's far more than I have to repeat something to my DOG to get him to understand.

Give me a hint and I'll try to explain it as many more times as you will need. But it's going to be the same thing I've explained to you about 10000000 times now already.

I hope you see how frustrating it is.

All your attempts to claim alignment with objective morality depend on sociological sophistry.

I don't know why you're ashamed to claim ownership of moral relativism. As long as your opinion is that the holocaust and Gulag were crimes against humanity, you are not aligning yourself with Nazis, and that's really what matters.

 

[Scut Farkus]

All your attempts to claim alignment with objective morality depend on sociological sophistry.

I don't know why you're ashamed to claim ownership of moral relativism. As long as your opinion is that the holocaust and Gulag were crimes against humanity, you are not aligning yourself with Nazis, and that's really what matters.

cooperation works.

no sophistry about it, ass-kin.

 

[Cypress]

You argue morality can only come from God. Iran believes that. You want that in the US?

The biggest influence on me convincing me of the viability of objective morality was the philosopher Patrick Grim - he never says specifically if he is religious, but my guess is that he is agnostic or skeptical.

 

[Cypress]

cooperation works.

no sophistry about it, ass-kin.

Lots of people cooperated to build a slave economy in the antebellum South, because it was widely thought to be economically sound, and morally justifiable.

Once you careen off onto the path of human opinion and cultural convention, you aren't talking about objective morality anymore

 

[Scut Farkus]

Lots of people cooperated to build a slave economy in the antebellum South, because it was widely thought to be economically sound, and morally justifiable.

Once you careen off onto the path of human opinion and cultural convention, you aren't talking about objective morality anymore

they were not moral to the slaves.

 

[Scut Farkus]

The biggest influence on me convincing me of the viability of objective morality was the philosopher Patrick Grim - he never says specifically if he is religious, but my guess is that he is agnostic or skeptical.

what's in your objective morality?

 

[Scut Farkus]

there are behaviors that facilitate cooperation.

what might they be?

truth telling.
non-agression.
refraining from fraud.
not stealing from others.

all the basics are here.

this thought experiment is basically just implementing the golden rule.

how would I like to be treated?

Well i'll act that way towards others then.

that shall be the whole of the law.

 

[Uncensored2008]

what led you to your negative take on buddhism?

it was a little unclear actually.

I'm taint-sensitive about Buddhism.

In my 20's I became a martial arts fanatic. I lived and breathed Kung Fu San Soo under Jimmy Woo studios. Sifu Woo was the real deal, a Shaolin monk from the Hunan (or sometimes Henan) temple.

I immersed myself in the art, spending 4 to 5 hours a day at practice and training. I also adopted the Buddhist and Taoist philosophies that underpinned the whole thing.

But as years passed, the spiritual side cracked and crumbled, I still love the art, but Buddhism itself could not hold up to reality. A primitive religion that too often was adopted for the pretensions of the elite trying to virtue signal their disdain for anything western.

Then there is this side to it...



Wait, this is "Wheel of Reincarnation?"

It wasn't one thing, it was everything - the entire religion was simply absurd, ridiculous.

I don't follow the Jewish religion, I've made that clear here. BUT obviously I know it very well. And the two are not similar. The Jewish religious is vastly more sophisticated, frankly EVOLVED than Buddhism. Being Buddhist is a major step in the wrong direction for those looking for rational explanations for the universe and life.

Just my experience and perspective.

 

[Hume]

The biggest influence on me convincing me of the viability of objective morality was the philosopher Patrick Grim - he never says specifically if he is religious, but my guess is that he is agnostic or skeptical.

Other than Christians who believe in God, who thinks morality can only be objective?

 

[Scut Farkus]

In my 20's I became a martial arts fanatic. I lived and breathed Kung Fu San Soo under Jimmy Woo studios. Sifu Woo was the real deal, a Shaolin monk from the Hunan (or sometimes Henan) temple.

I immersed myself in the art, spending 4 to 5 hours a day at practice and training. I also adopted the Buddhist and Taoist philosophies that underpinned the whole thing.

But as years passed, the spiritual side cracked and crumbled, I still love the art, but Buddhism itself could not hold up to reality. A primitive religion that too often was adopted for the pretensions of the elite trying to virtue signal their disdain for anything western.

Then there is this side to it...

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Wait, this is "Wheel of Reincarnation?"

It wasn't one thing, it was everything - the entire religion was simply absurd, ridiculous.

I don't follow the Jewish religion, I've made that clear here. BUT obviously I know it very well. And the two are not similar. The Jewish religious is vastly more sophisticated, frankly EVOLVED than Buddhism. Being Buddhist is a major step in the wrong direction for those looking for rational explanations for the universe and life.

Just my experience and perspective.

well. you're a fanatical joiner with no self.



conquering material obsession and status obsession and fantasies of dominance would cure all the world's ills.

deep staters like the world's ills, they profit of all kinds of dysfunction, war, violence, greed, addiction.

so there is a concerted psyop to destroy peace and harmony.

its dark and evil and goes all the way to the top.

 

[Matt Dillon]

It is hardly an exaggeration to state that the problem of evil stands as one of the most extensively debated subjects in philosophy and theology.

The problem of evil, in the sense in which I shall be using the phrase, is a problem only for someone who believes that there is a God who is both omnipotent and wholly good.

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Taking advantage of innocent people is evil. That is exactly what Democrats have been doing.
Forcing everyone to pay for their views, that's not cool.

 

[Scut Farkus]

who destroyed the library at Alexandria?

 

[Scut Farkus]

Taking advantage of innocent people is evil. That is exactly what Democrats have been doing.
Forcing everyone to pay for their views, that's not cool.

epic.

 

[Cypress]

they were not moral to the slaves.

In your opinion.

You just said "cooperation". Nothing else. You are only now belatedly backtracking and trying to place limitations, boundaries, and caveats on your claim.

Unless you can point to a higher standard independent of human opinion and social convention, many slave owners thought slave ownership was justifiable economically, socially, morally.

 

[Scut Farkus]

In your opinion.

You just said "cooperation". Nothing else. You are only now belatedly backtracking and trying to place limitations, boundaries, and caveats on your claim.

I've said this a million times.

morality is a set of beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships​

Unless you can point to a higher standard independent of human opinion and social convention, many slave owners thought slave ownership was justifiab economically, socially, morally.

Humans are perfectly capable of figuring out morality because its rational.

THose slave owners were not moral despite their beliefs that they were.

You just like to deny obvious truths because you're a deep state warmonger who thrives on evil.

 

[Cypress]

I've said this a million times.

morality is a set of beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships​

So you define morality as self interest and mutual advantage,

I don't. I don't think self interest and advantage is the basis of morality at all.

Humans are perfectly capable of figuring out morality because its rational.

Nope, there's nothing calculated or rational about risking your life to save thousands of strangers, like Schindler did.

THose slave owners were not moral despite their beliefs that they were, just like Zionists.

You have been given the privilege of hindsight, where the Confederacy was defeated, and consensus emerged that forced labor was abhorrent.

Without that privilege of being able to look in the rear view mirror, and without a higher standard to point to, you have no basis to say the antebellum slave owners were objectively wrong.

 

[Scut Farkus]

So you define morality as self interest and mutual advantage,

I don't. I don't think self interest and advantage is the basis of morality at all.

Nope, there's nothing calculated or rational about risking your life to save thousands of strangers, like Schindler did.

You have been given the privilege of hindsight, where the Confederacy was defeated, and consensus emerged that forced labor was abhorrent.

Without that privilege of being able to look in the rear view mirror, and without a higher standard to point to, you have no basis to say the antebellum slave owners were objectively wrong.

It's clearly always been wrong.

I define it as this.

morality is a set of beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships​

it's mostly about the behaviors and attitudes that facilitate voluntary and mutually beneficial cooperations.

You deny morality is rational because ultimately your a warhawk killfreak enabler.

 

[Cypress]

It's clearly always been wrong.

Just your opinion, unless you can point to a moral standard independent of human opinion and social convention.

I define it as this.

morality is a set of beliefs, attitudes, and behaviors that facilitate voluntary, cooperative and mutually beneficial relationships​

Nope. Self interest and advantage are uncomfortably close to selfishness and self-serving.

Real morality is based on totally self-sacrificial disinterested acts of beneficence.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

back to ignore

Awesome! All college dropouts put me on fake ignore.

 

[Scut Farkus]

Just your opinion, unless you can point to a moral standard independent of human opinion and social convention.

Nope. Self interest and advantage are uncomfortably close to selfishness and self-serving.

Real morality is based on totally self-sacrificial disinterested acts of beneficence.

No.

It isn't an opinion.

a basic morality enhances cooperation and lifts all boats.

you're just a moronic idiot who hates truth.

MUTUAL advantage isn't "purely selfish".

learn to read, masonic dipshit evildoer.