The Racism Myth

Hello Evmetro,

If there were no racism, there would be no hate groups, no SPLC, no legislation to deal with hate crimes.
 
Lefties have only been trained to paint political opponents as racists, and this has become the core of their agenda. Actual racism is not important to lefties, and they don't even know how to identify it.

then why do you deny the history of this nation that shows the racism in action?
 
Lefties have only been trained to paint political opponents as racists, and this has become the core of their agenda. Actual racism is not important to lefties, and they don't even know how to identify it.

Ridiculous. I am on the left and I argue the subject. Debating from the left is easy. All one has to do is point out facts. No spin required.
 
Evmetro, I have to wonder when you believe racism ended.

Do you think it ever existed?

What day in our history did it end?

What signified that end?
 
Maybe later

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Tulsa race massacre
Part of racism in the United States

Buildings burning during the Tulsa race riot
Location
Greenwood, Tulsa, Oklahoma, U.S.
Coordinates
36°09′34″N 95°59′11″W
Coordinates: 36°09′34″N 95°59′11″W
Date
May 31 – June 1, 1921
Target
Black citizens
Weapons
Guns, incendiary devices, explosives, airplanes[1]:196
Deaths
36 (1921 findings)
Total unknown according to Red Cross[2]
100–300 (2001 Oklahoma Commission Report) [3]
Non-fatal injuries
Over 800
Perpetrators
White mob, the police, the United States National Guard[1]:193, 196
The Tulsa race riot, sometimes referred to as the Tulsa massacre,[4][5][6][7] Tulsa pogrom,[8][9][10] or Tulsa race massacre, took place on May 31 and June 1, 1921, when a mob of white citizens attacked black residents and businesses of Greenwood in Tulsa, Oklahoma.[1] This is considered one of the worst incidents of racial violence in the history of the United States.[11] The attack, carried out on the ground and by air, destroyed more than 35 blocks of the district, at the time the wealthiest black community in the United States.
More than 800 people were admitted to hospitals and more than 6,000 black residents were arrested and detained, many for several days.[12] The Oklahoma Bureau of Vital Statistics officially recorded 36 dead, but the American Red Cross declined to provide an estimate.
The riot began over Memorial Day weekend after 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, the 17-year-old white elevator operator of the nearby Drexel Building. After he was taken into custody, some blacks worried that Rowland was at risk of being lynched. To reduce the likelihood of lynching, a group of armed black men rushed to the police station where the suspect was held. There, the armed black men found assembled a crowd of white men and women. A confrontation developed between the groups, shots were fired, and twelve people were killed, ten white and two black.[13] As news of these deaths spread throughout the city, mob violence exploded. Thousands of white people rampaged through the black neighborhood that night and the next day, killing men and women, burning and looting stores and homes. About 10,000 black people were left homeless, and property damage amounted to more than $1.5 million in real estate and $750,000 in personal property ($31 million in 2018).
Some black people said that policemen had joined the mob; others said that National Guardsmen fired a machine gun into the black group and a plane dropped sticks of dynamite.[14] In an eyewitness account discovered in 2015, Greenwood attorney Buck Colbert Franklin described watching a dozen or more planes, which had been dispatched by the city police force, drop burning balls of turpentine on Greenwood's rooftops.[15]
Many survivors left Tulsa. Black and white residents who stayed in the city were silent for decades about the terror, violence, and losses of this event. The riot was largely omitted from local, state, as well as national, histories: "The Tulsa race riot of 1921 was rarely mentioned in history books, classrooms or even in private. Blacks and whites alike grew into middle age unaware of what had taken place."[16]
In 1996, seventy-five years after the riot, with the number of survivors declining, a bi-partisan group in the state legislature authorized formation of the Oklahoma Commission to Study the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921. Members were appointed to investigate events, interview survivors, hear testimony from the public, and prepare a report of events. There was an effort toward public education about these events through the process. The Commission's final report, published in 2001, said that the city had conspired with the mob of white citizens against black citizens; it recommended a program of reparations to survivors and their descendants.[1] The state passed legislation to establish some scholarships for descendants of survivors, encourage economic development of Greenwood, and develop a memorial park in Tulsa to the riot victims. The park was dedicated in 2010.
 
Ah yes, the last paragraph of my opening post...

OK, I get it.

If you don't want to have a discussion then just set preconditions.

That way you think you've 'won' before there is even any discussion.

Prevent discussion and you never lose at it.

Got it.

Same thing you did in the other thread.

And then you proclaim yourself the winner.

But you've won nothing by circumventing the debate process.

Such a 'win' is a paper facade.

You know what this approach tells me?

A real debate with you is not possible so there's not much point in clicking on your threads.

It gets old trying to have a discussion with someone who does not recognize anything you say. Why should people come back for more of that?
 
Maybe later

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Tulsa race massacre
Part of racism in the United States

Buildings burning during the Tulsa race riot
Location
Greenwood, Tulsa, Oklahoma, U.S.
Coordinates
36°09′34″N 95°59′11″W
Coordinates: 36°09′34″N 95°59′11″W
Date
May 31 – June 1, 1921
Target
Black citizens
Weapons
Guns, incendiary devices, explosives, airplanes[1]:196
Deaths
36 (1921 findings)
Total unknown according to Red Cross[2]
100–300 (2001 Oklahoma Commission Report) [3]
Non-fatal injuries
Over 800
Perpetrators
White mob, the police, the United States National Guard[1]:193, 196
The Tulsa race riot, sometimes referred to as the Tulsa massacre,[4][5][6][7] Tulsa pogrom,[8][9][10] or Tulsa race massacre, took place on May 31 and June 1, 1921, when a mob of white citizens attacked black residents and businesses of Greenwood in Tulsa, Oklahoma.[1] This is considered one of the worst incidents of racial violence in the history of the United States.[11] The attack, carried out on the ground and by air, destroyed more than 35 blocks of the district, at the time the wealthiest black community in the United States.
More than 800 people were admitted to hospitals and more than 6,000 black residents were arrested and detained, many for several days.[12] The Oklahoma Bureau of Vital Statistics officially recorded 36 dead, but the American Red Cross declined to provide an estimate.
The riot began over Memorial Day weekend after 19-year-old Dick Rowland, a black shoeshiner, was accused of assaulting Sarah Page, the 17-year-old white elevator operator of the nearby Drexel Building. After he was taken into custody, some blacks worried that Rowland was at risk of being lynched. To reduce the likelihood of lynching, a group of armed black men rushed to the police station where the suspect was held. There, the armed black men found assembled a crowd of white men and women. A confrontation developed between the groups, shots were fired, and twelve people were killed, ten white and two black.[13] As news of these deaths spread throughout the city, mob violence exploded. Thousands of white people rampaged through the black neighborhood that night and the next day, killing men and women, burning and looting stores and homes. About 10,000 black people were left homeless, and property damage amounted to more than $1.5 million in real estate and $750,000 in personal property ($31 million in 2018).
Some black people said that policemen had joined the mob; others said that National Guardsmen fired a machine gun into the black group and a plane dropped sticks of dynamite.[14] In an eyewitness account discovered in 2015, Greenwood attorney Buck Colbert Franklin described watching a dozen or more planes, which had been dispatched by the city police force, drop burning balls of turpentine on Greenwood's rooftops.[15]
Many survivors left Tulsa. Black and white residents who stayed in the city were silent for decades about the terror, violence, and losses of this event. The riot was largely omitted from local, state, as well as national, histories: "The Tulsa race riot of 1921 was rarely mentioned in history books, classrooms or even in private. Blacks and whites alike grew into middle age unaware of what had taken place."[16]
In 1996, seventy-five years after the riot, with the number of survivors declining, a bi-partisan group in the state legislature authorized formation of the Oklahoma Commission to Study the Tulsa Race Riot of 1921. Members were appointed to investigate events, interview survivors, hear testimony from the public, and prepare a report of events. There was an effort toward public education about these events through the process. The Commission's final report, published in 2001, said that the city had conspired with the mob of white citizens against black citizens; it recommended a program of reparations to survivors and their descendants.[1] The state passed legislation to establish some scholarships for descendants of survivors, encourage economic development of Greenwood, and develop a memorial park in Tulsa to the riot victims. The park was dedicated in 2010.

Thanks for at least trying. From the opening post:


Has anybody seen an example of real racism in our current political landscape that they can post here?

Does your example correspond with "current political landscape?
 
If the results of all my threads about racism show anything, they show that racism has become a myth. I have authored several threads that request examples of racism, but I have yet to see an example of it. There was the thread requesting evidence that Trump is the racist that the left claims he is, and it has gone almost 1400 posts without any such evidence posted. Lots of alleged racism and lots of propaganda, but no actual proof.

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?80126-Trump-is-not-a-racist

Lefties still post away on that thread, but never with any actual evidence of racism. I also did a thread requesting who people thought to be the worst racist offenders in today's political landscape. We always hear stuff about racism in the news and in every other thread, so one would think that every lefty here would have a dozen each to post, but no... No lefty here was able to identify and substantiate a single racist!

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?107283-Biggest-racism-offender

Lefties post all kinds of stuff in that thread, but they cannot post even a single example of a racist who can be substantiated as such. I also did a thread about racist in the new. Since we hear so much about racism, why not a thread to highlight racists in the news? Everything is about racism these days, so a thread about racists in the news should be pretty hot right now, right? Wrong. Here is that thread:

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?107281-Racism-in-the-news

Has anybody seen an example of real racism in our current political landscape that they can post here? An example that can be validated and substantiated with evidence? An example that would fit any of the above referenced threads? If the meaning of racism has been reduced to describing the political opponent of a lefty, victims of actual real racism are in deep trouble.

If you are a lefty who does not know the true meaning of racism, does not care about real racism, and admits to not being aware of any real racism, just post something else besides what this opening post asks for. I will acknowledge your admission by referencing the last paragraph of the opening post.


The result of all your threads is that you are a known moron.
 
OK, I get it.

If you don't want to have a discussion then just set preconditions.

That way you think you've 'won' before there is even any discussion.

Prevent discussion and you never lose at it.

Got it.

Same thing you did in the other thread.

And then you proclaim yourself the winner.

But you've won nothing by circumventing the debate process.

Such a 'win' is a paper facade.

You know what this approach tells me?

A real debate with you is not possible so there's not much point in clicking on your threads.

It gets old trying to have a discussion with someone who does not recognize anything you say. Why should people come back for more of that?

I will give you a little more than the rest of the lefties, since you operate at a civilized level. Let's first look at what the opening post says. The very first sentence reads: "If the results of all my threads about racism show anything, they show that racism has become a myth." As you can see, it does NOT say that I think racism is a myth, but it does say that the results of all the racism threads indicate that racism is a myth. Obviously, one would have to look at those racism threads to see if this is true. Have you seen anybody take the time to do this?

The next sentence reads: "I have authored several threads that request examples of racism, but I have yet to see an example of it. " Have you seen anybody list examples of racism in any of these threads? Were they real racism and not alleged racism or propaganda? Have you seen anybody demonstrate that they have even gotten this far on this thread?

After I list the relevant threads, I further clarify what I am after in this sentence:

"Has anybody seen an example of real racism in our current political landscape that they can post here? "

That sentence further clarifies, in case somebody decides to dig up some old stuff that is not relevant to our current political landscape, that I am looking to see an actual example of racism posted here. Have you seen anybody post any examples of real actual racism in our current political landscape?

There is yet another sentence to clarify exactly what I am looking for:

"An example that can be validated and substantiated with evidence? An example that would fit any of the above referenced threads?"

Obviously, I am not looking for politically motivated examples of racism that are not actually racism at all, I am looking specifically for examples that can be validated with evidence as I have requested in all those threads.

Poli, please show where any lefty has responded to anything that I have asked for in my opening post, and then show me exactly how I am being unreasonable in my responses. I do tip my hat at Evince for at least trying to provide an example, although he was unable to narrow it down to what my thread asks for and it was nowhere near current. The closest thing I have seen yet was this Evince being able to see that I am looking for an example of something, even if Evince did not know what.
 
So, 56 posts, and nobody has been able to provide an example that fits the parameters that the opening post specifies. 56 posts, and nobody has disputed that the results of the threads listed in the opening post suggest that racism is a myth.
 
Hello Evmetro,

I do appreciate your candor, but I do not appreciate going in circles. So I am not going to discuss racism with you any more.

I'll try to explain it:

I will give you a little more than the rest of the lefties, since you operate at a civilized level. Let's first look at what the opening post says. The very first sentence reads: "If the results of all my threads about racism show anything, they show that racism has become a myth." As you can see, it does NOT say that I think racism is a myth, but it does say that the results of all the racism threads indicate that racism is a myth.

In YOUR opinion. YOU are the one claiming that YOUR threads show something YOU wanted them to show. Of course it's what you think. Others disagree. Your view is not fact. It's your view. You are entitled to your own view, but you are NOT entitled to your own facts.

Obviously, one would have to look at those racism threads to see if this is true.

No, because you have attempted to establish your view as fact. I don't care how you squint or cock your head, how many expressions you make on your face, how many circles you spin around in before coming back to the same thing, your opinion is not fact. What you are trying to prove cannot be proven.

The next sentence reads: "I have authored several threads that request examples of racism, but I have yet to see an example of it. " Have you seen anybody list examples of racism in any of these threads?

Yes, plenty.

Were they real racism and not alleged racism or propaganda?

They were real, but you labelled them as propaganda.

Have you seen anybody demonstrate that they have even gotten this far on this thread?

After I list the relevant threads, I further clarify what I am after in this sentence:

"Has anybody seen an example of real racism in our current political landscape that they can post here? "

That sentence further clarifies, in case somebody decides to dig up some old stuff that is not relevant to our current political landscape, that I am looking to see an actual example of racism posted here.

No, you are looking for a chance to reinforce your own beliefs by disregarding main stream thinking.

Have you seen anybody post any examples of real actual racism in our current political landscape?

Often. Repeatedly. But don't ask me for examples. I am not going around in your circles again. Tired of that game.

There is yet another sentence to clarify exactly what I am looking for:

"An example that can be validated and substantiated with evidence? An example that would fit any of the above referenced threads?"

Obviously, I am not looking for politically motivated examples of racism that are not actually racism at all, I am looking specifically for examples that can be validated with evidence as I have requested in all those threads.

Poli, please show where any lefty has responded to anything that I have asked for in my opening post, and then show me exactly how I am being unreasonable in my responses.

There would be no point in doing that; as it has been done many times before, and every single time you have simply dismissed every example under your manufactured false pretenses, and that is exactly what you will do again if I continue your game. So, no thanks.

You're going to believe what you want to believe, as you are entitled to do. And that's fine. I can't expect to change your mind, but it has been interesting to see how your logic works to 'justify' this. Now that I understand, it's no longer interesting. It is absurd to think that a few threads on a chat site, with at most 50 people out of 325 million in the country commenting, would 'prove' anything. I am amazed you think you have changed the world with this.

I am convinced you have convinced yourself of something you wanted to believe anyway.

Don't be surprised if I don't comment in this thread again. I'm convinced of this: I can find more interesting discussions elsewhere.
 
I am a little disappointed that you opted to fall back upon the last paragraph of my opening post, but I understand. You are not the first lefty who is unable to provide a specific example of racism and describe why it is more than an allegation, accusation propaganda. You are not the first lefty to claim that examples have already been presented, and you are certainly not the first to not be able to link any post numbers of any threads where this has been done.

So, 60 posts, and nobody has been able to provide an example that fits the parameters that the opening post specifies. 60 posts, and nobody has disputed that the results of the threads listed in the opening post suggest that racism is a myth.
 
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