The Right Fails Leadership 101: Vote Left!
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PoliTalker
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Hello Walt,
I always felt that the Republican party was a losing idea. Back in those days when Democrats wanted more government programs to deal with social issues, and Republicans were arguing that smaller government is best, I was never convinced their idea had merit.
A smaller government is less able to deal with problems or a crisis.
The government of 1776 collected no taxes, but it also had no Federal Emergency Management Agency.
I always felt like Republicans were trying to cram yesterday's government into today's world.
It seemed like an easy argument to tell them it's a failed idea.
I always sort of figured that eventually they would have to give up on what appeared to me to be a losing idea.
And then I would wonder where they could possibly go from there, what would be next?
I never would have guessed it would become fealty to Donald Trump.
I would have laughed like Jon Stewart. Actually, I did.
I always felt that the Republican party was a losing idea. Back in those days when Democrats wanted more government programs to deal with social issues, and Republicans were arguing that smaller government is best, I was never convinced their idea had merit.
A smaller government is less able to deal with problems or a crisis.
The government of 1776 collected no taxes, but it also had no Federal Emergency Management Agency.
I always felt like Republicans were trying to cram yesterday's government into today's world.
It seemed like an easy argument to tell them it's a failed idea.
I always sort of figured that eventually they would have to give up on what appeared to me to be a losing idea.
And then I would wonder where they could possibly go from there, what would be next?
I never would have guessed it would become fealty to Donald Trump.
I would have laughed like Jon Stewart. Actually, I did.
A random thought on that: the colonial governments of 1776 were setup by the British Government. If we return to that system, we are unravelling the Revolutionary War.
Many Repubs will say they believe in climate change, but cannot say so and keep their jobs. In private, many of them hope Trump gets nailed for his insurrection, but they will not say so in public.
Yakuda
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Vote left????? How???? My brain stem is still connected.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Walt,
Good point. Just because we declared independence doesn't mean we had our own government set up right away. That took some time to write and ratify the Constitution. What was it? 1789 before the new government was at least outlined? Yes, here it is in a nutshell, from Wikipedia:
"Transmitted to the Congress of the Confederation, then sitting in New York City, it was within the power of Congress to expedite or block ratification of the proposed Constitution. The new frame of government that the Philadelphia Convention presented was technically only a revision of the Articles of Confederation. After several days of debate, Congress voted to transmit the document to the thirteen states for ratification according to the process outlined in its Article VII. Each state legislature was to call elections for a "Federal Convention" to ratify the new Constitution, rather than consider ratification itself; a departure from the constitutional practice of the time, designed to expand the franchise in order to more clearly embrace "the people". The frame of government itself was to go into force among the States so acting upon the approval of nine (i.e. two-thirds of the 13) states; also a departure from constitutional practice, as the Articles of Confederation could be amended only by unanimous vote of all the states.
Three members of the Convention—Madison, Gorham, and King—were also Members of Congress. They proceeded at once to New York, where Congress was in session, to placate the expected opposition. Aware of their vanishing authority, Congress, on September 28, after some debate, resolved unanimously to submit the Constitution to the States for action, "in conformity to the resolves of the Convention",[39] but with no recommendation either for or against its adoption.
Two parties soon developed, one in opposition, the Anti-Federalists, and one in support, the Federalists, of the Constitution; and the Constitution was debated, criticized, and expounded upon clause by clause. Hamilton, Madison, and Jay, under the name of Publius, wrote a series of commentaries, now known as The Federalist Papers, in support of ratification in the state of New York, at that time a hotbed of anti-Federalism. These commentaries on the Constitution, written during the struggle for ratification, have been frequently cited by the Supreme Court as an authoritative contemporary interpretation of the meaning of its provisions. The dispute over additional powers for the central government was close, and in some states, ratification was effected only after a bitter struggle in the state convention itself.
On June 21, 1788, the constitution had been ratified by the minimum of nine states required under Article VII. Towards the end of July, and with eleven states then having ratified, the process of organizing the new government began. The Continental Congress, which still functioned at irregular intervals, passed a resolution on September 13, 1788, to put the new Constitution into operation with the eleven states that had then ratified it.[40] The federal government began operations under the new form of government on March 4, 1789. However, the initial meeting of each chamber of Congress had to be adjourned due to lack of a quorum.[41] George Washington was inaugurated as the nation's first president 8 weeks later, on April 30. The final two states both ratified the Constitution subsequently: North Carolina on November 21, 1789 and Rhode Island on May 29, 1790. "
So really, the earliest functioning American 'small government' did not exist until 1789.
It is also interesting that today's 'Federalist Society' actually embraces the position of the original Anti-Federalist party.
Good point. Just because we declared independence doesn't mean we had our own government set up right away. That took some time to write and ratify the Constitution. What was it? 1789 before the new government was at least outlined? Yes, here it is in a nutshell, from Wikipedia:
"Transmitted to the Congress of the Confederation, then sitting in New York City, it was within the power of Congress to expedite or block ratification of the proposed Constitution. The new frame of government that the Philadelphia Convention presented was technically only a revision of the Articles of Confederation. After several days of debate, Congress voted to transmit the document to the thirteen states for ratification according to the process outlined in its Article VII. Each state legislature was to call elections for a "Federal Convention" to ratify the new Constitution, rather than consider ratification itself; a departure from the constitutional practice of the time, designed to expand the franchise in order to more clearly embrace "the people". The frame of government itself was to go into force among the States so acting upon the approval of nine (i.e. two-thirds of the 13) states; also a departure from constitutional practice, as the Articles of Confederation could be amended only by unanimous vote of all the states.
Three members of the Convention—Madison, Gorham, and King—were also Members of Congress. They proceeded at once to New York, where Congress was in session, to placate the expected opposition. Aware of their vanishing authority, Congress, on September 28, after some debate, resolved unanimously to submit the Constitution to the States for action, "in conformity to the resolves of the Convention",[39] but with no recommendation either for or against its adoption.
Two parties soon developed, one in opposition, the Anti-Federalists, and one in support, the Federalists, of the Constitution; and the Constitution was debated, criticized, and expounded upon clause by clause. Hamilton, Madison, and Jay, under the name of Publius, wrote a series of commentaries, now known as The Federalist Papers, in support of ratification in the state of New York, at that time a hotbed of anti-Federalism. These commentaries on the Constitution, written during the struggle for ratification, have been frequently cited by the Supreme Court as an authoritative contemporary interpretation of the meaning of its provisions. The dispute over additional powers for the central government was close, and in some states, ratification was effected only after a bitter struggle in the state convention itself.
On June 21, 1788, the constitution had been ratified by the minimum of nine states required under Article VII. Towards the end of July, and with eleven states then having ratified, the process of organizing the new government began. The Continental Congress, which still functioned at irregular intervals, passed a resolution on September 13, 1788, to put the new Constitution into operation with the eleven states that had then ratified it.[40] The federal government began operations under the new form of government on March 4, 1789. However, the initial meeting of each chamber of Congress had to be adjourned due to lack of a quorum.[41] George Washington was inaugurated as the nation's first president 8 weeks later, on April 30. The final two states both ratified the Constitution subsequently: North Carolina on November 21, 1789 and Rhode Island on May 29, 1790. "
So really, the earliest functioning American 'small government' did not exist until 1789.
It is also interesting that today's 'Federalist Society' actually embraces the position of the original Anti-Federalist party.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Nordberg,
They hate to admit it when they are wrong.
A lot of this holding out is a strange sort of 'saving face' thing in their view.
They are afraid they will look silly if they admit they were wrong, and they don't want to look silly, so they are simply sticking with what they previously believed. And we cannot rule out the whole rumor mill. It's hard for an individual to change his own mind when all of his friends have not changed theirs. And they may all be in a similar frame of mind, nobody wanting to go first.
After all. For a Trump partisan to change his mind, he has to also admit that liberals were right.
It's asking a lot for a blowhard know-it-all type of person who is supported by a like-minded peer pressure group.
They hate to admit it when they are wrong.
A lot of this holding out is a strange sort of 'saving face' thing in their view.
They are afraid they will look silly if they admit they were wrong, and they don't want to look silly, so they are simply sticking with what they previously believed. And we cannot rule out the whole rumor mill. It's hard for an individual to change his own mind when all of his friends have not changed theirs. And they may all be in a similar frame of mind, nobody wanting to go first.
After all. For a Trump partisan to change his mind, he has to also admit that liberals were right.
It's asking a lot for a blowhard know-it-all type of person who is supported by a like-minded peer pressure group.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-of-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions/
https://www.westernjournal.com/10-failed-global-warming-predictions/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/michae...bout-climate-change-is-wrong/?sh=25cd9c5612d6
https://www.heartland.org/news-opinion/news/ipcc-report-shows-desperation-not-climate-catastrophe
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Leadership means being responsible and thinking of what is best for society.
A civilized society conducts a fair election and selects a leader. Once the fair election process of verification is done, it is done. The time for dispute has passed. The new leader is inaugurated and becomes everyone's leader. At that point, a good country forgets all about elections, goes back to living non-election-season life, reunites and rallies behind the new leader, and gives that leader a chance to prove himself/herself. A civilized society accepts the results of a fair election.
Unruly people don't want to follow the rules, so they try to make up their own narrative. It is sad they cannot have it, because they look so silly refusing to accept reality. Seeing sore losers is not fun. It's just ugly. It's better when everyone accepts the election results. A united country pulls together after an election. After all, there's nothing you can do about it except make trouble. And don't we have some trouble-makers.
Civilized people accept it when they lose. Immature and unwise people refuse to accept it when they lose a legitimate contest.
2020 was a secure and fair election.
There was every chance to present proof of 2020 election fraud. There was a given time period for convincing evidence to be presented. That chance existed in every single State the Joe Biden won. It is absurd to deny the fair elections in only the States that Biden won and not any of the States that Trump won. The Trump party accepts the results where they won. The only results they refuse to accept (without evidence) are the states they lost. They had every chance to present convincing evidence. Everything they presented was overruled. None of it prevents every state from being certified.
Trump LOST means Trump really did LOSE. Trump Lost.
He lost the election.
Trump lost the election and Joe Biden won. That's reality. We accepted it when Trump won in 2016; and now we are accepting it that he lost in 2020. If you in the Trump Party want to do America a big favor you will give up this fake valid election refusal nonsense, ditch that loser like so many of your friends are doing or have done, and go back to claiming smaller government is better and you are the 'moral' party.
You will earn more respect from very good people if you decide you CAN change and that you can no longer support Donald Trump; than you will by sticking with The Big Lie. Nobody will blame you for flip flopping any more than you will blame yourself. But you've got to do it to save yourself from being lost in a fantasy world. We would like to welcome you back to the real world.
Let go of Trump.
Remember:
Dumping Trump gives you more respect than sticking with the loser.
A civilized society conducts a fair election and selects a leader. Once the fair election process of verification is done, it is done. The time for dispute has passed. The new leader is inaugurated and becomes everyone's leader. At that point, a good country forgets all about elections, goes back to living non-election-season life, reunites and rallies behind the new leader, and gives that leader a chance to prove himself/herself. A civilized society accepts the results of a fair election.
Unruly people don't want to follow the rules, so they try to make up their own narrative. It is sad they cannot have it, because they look so silly refusing to accept reality. Seeing sore losers is not fun. It's just ugly. It's better when everyone accepts the election results. A united country pulls together after an election. After all, there's nothing you can do about it except make trouble. And don't we have some trouble-makers.
Civilized people accept it when they lose. Immature and unwise people refuse to accept it when they lose a legitimate contest.
2020 was a secure and fair election.
There was every chance to present proof of 2020 election fraud. There was a given time period for convincing evidence to be presented. That chance existed in every single State the Joe Biden won. It is absurd to deny the fair elections in only the States that Biden won and not any of the States that Trump won. The Trump party accepts the results where they won. The only results they refuse to accept (without evidence) are the states they lost. They had every chance to present convincing evidence. Everything they presented was overruled. None of it prevents every state from being certified.
Trump LOST means Trump really did LOSE. Trump Lost.
He lost the election.
Trump lost the election and Joe Biden won. That's reality. We accepted it when Trump won in 2016; and now we are accepting it that he lost in 2020. If you in the Trump Party want to do America a big favor you will give up this fake valid election refusal nonsense, ditch that loser like so many of your friends are doing or have done, and go back to claiming smaller government is better and you are the 'moral' party.
You will earn more respect from very good people if you decide you CAN change and that you can no longer support Donald Trump; than you will by sticking with The Big Lie. Nobody will blame you for flip flopping any more than you will blame yourself. But you've got to do it to save yourself from being lost in a fantasy world. We would like to welcome you back to the real world.
Let go of Trump.
Remember:
Dumping Trump gives you more respect than sticking with the loser.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
Hint: It's no longer about Trump...
They will be butthurt about Trump 100 years from now. Read the above posts, they are fucking lunatics!
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Good leadership means you look out for the country, not yourself.
T. A. Gardner
Thread Killer
Then Biden is a failure. He isn't looking out for the country.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Joe Biden did what needed to be done by getting out of Afghanistan.
It didn't go well.
Now he and Democrats are paying the price for that.
But still, it needed to be done.
Joe Biden is a good leader who did something for America instead of for himself.
It didn't go well.
Now he and Democrats are paying the price for that.
But still, it needed to be done.
Joe Biden is a good leader who did something for America instead of for himself.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Trump only talked about getting out. But it was difficult and it had the potential to be very unpopular if it didn't go well.
Trump was worried about his image, not America. That's why Trump only talked about it but failed to follow through on his promise.
In 4 years.
Some people talk the talk.
Others walk the walk.
Trump was worried about his image, not America. That's why Trump only talked about it but failed to follow through on his promise.
In 4 years.
Some people talk the talk.
Others walk the walk.