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Eagle_Eye said:
Google says that Social Studies covers four subjects civics being one of them but there is no set requirement on the amount of each is covered in Michigan.
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That doesn't seem right. We had to take a dedicated-to-civics class in h.s., and pass tests on the Missouri and the U.S. Constitutions as well. We also had to make a budget for a fictional family of four. We had to write out their fake bills on fake checks and balance the checkbook. We learned about the stock market by investing some of their money in stocks that we were allowed to choose from real companies. We also had to learn to fill out their 1040 income tax return. It was all very practical stuff; that was in 9th grade.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
That doesn't seem right. We had to take a dedicated-to-civics class in h.s., and pass tests on the Missouri and the U.S. Constitutions as well. We also had to make a budget for a fictional family of four. We had to write out their fake bills on fake checks and balance the checkbook. We learned about the stock market by investing some of their money in stocks that we were allowed to choose from real companies. We also had to learn to fill out their 1040 income tax return. It was all very practical stuff; that was in 9th grade.
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I had almost the same in school. I think our school system has let us down.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Ok sport I suggest you read the title

The attack on the capitol was not an attempt to overthrow the government but domestic terrorism designed to change the outcome of a presidential election.

While I am teaching you Civics 101 keep this little factoid in mind!
So the demonstration on Jan6 was perfectly legal until the crowd crossed the first barrier.
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So you can make yourself believe anything you want. There is no doubt it was a plan to bring down this democracy to force in the biggest piece of shit in history as a dictator. You can make all the excuses you want to make yourself happy but the government agrees with me and the charges will come. Some small little country bumpkin won't change that. It's called sedition and if you think that won't be charged your just a comedy act. That's my civic lesson for the day. yuk yuk!
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello jbander,



It was a completely sincere reply. How do you cause an errant party to just go away?

The people who comprise the party cannot be eliminated. They exist. They hold their views, however disagreeable those views are. We object to them, but it is unclear how we can allow them to remain (which we really don't have much choice about) but cause their party to go away? I see no plausible path to make this happen.
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First add in enough supreme court justices so with Biden selecting the additional ones The democrats have the majority , then write law saying that is the only acceptable number. Stop Gerrymandering , the easiest way is for the federal government to take over the senate and house elections.. Get rid of the Filibuster and make it a law that everyone must vote. The hate party is then gone and then it is time to put together a voice for conservatives in this country with just two controlling factors, to represent more then the golden few of our population an govern out of needs of this country instead of hate. It literally is that easy, We have less then two years to do it and we are stupid if we don't. Justification- we will do exactly what the hate party is doing right now with 250 laws across the country to take away the votes of Democrats. Screw them! They are traitors to this country and the lowest form of humanity.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Ok sport I suggest you read the title

The attack on the capitol was not an attempt to overthrow the government but domestic terrorism designed to change the outcome of a presidential election.

While I am teaching you Civics 101 keep this little factoid in mind!
So the demonstration on Jan6 was perfectly legal until the crowd crossed the first barrier.
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Just noticed your feeble attempt to make some comedy point with throwing in the First amendment and sedition is not protected and there are many other things that aren't protected also., You just have no clue ace.
 
jbander said:
So you can make yourself believe anything you want. There is no doubt it was a plan to bring down this democracy to force in the biggest piece of shit in history as a dictator. You can make all the excuses you want to make yourself happy but the government agrees with me and the charges will come. Some small little country bumpkin won't change that. It's called sedition and if you think that won't be charged your just a comedy act. That's my civic lesson for the day. yuk yuk!
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Yea and 911 was committed by Israel and GW Bush. You see a conspiracy behind every tree.
 
Hello jbander,

jbander said:
First add in enough supreme court justices so with Biden selecting the additional ones The democrats have the majority , then write law saying that is the only acceptable number. Stop Gerrymandering , the easiest way is for the federal government to take over the senate and house elections.. Get rid of the Filibuster and make it a law that everyone must vote. The hate party is then gone and then it is time to put together a voice for conservatives in this country with just two controlling factors, to represent more then the golden few of our population an govern out of needs of this country instead of hate. It literally is that easy, We have less then two years to do it and we are stupid if we don't. Justification- we will do exactly what the hate party is doing right now with 250 laws across the country to take away the votes of Democrats. Screw them! They are traitors to this country and the lowest form of humanity.
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There is merit in the idea to make required voting law, but I'd have to think long and hard on that before I could back it. And it is a total moot point anyway. Whether or not I support it does not matter. There is no way America is passing such a controversial law with such a slim Democratic majority. So we can forget that idea.

We have just a small advantage. We have to take small steps. We can't assume that conservative Democratic Senator Joe Manchin is just going to go along with a super wish list.

We can't do anything appreciable to stop the gerrymandering, either. That is controlled state by state, and most of the states are under Republican control.

Getting rid of the fillibuster is a double-edged sword. We should go carefully there. If we did that and lost control in 2022, that could be disaster.

No way we are expanding the SCOTUS with such a slim majority. We don't have enough power to do that.

But say somehow we did all those things, and then we attempted to tell conservatives what to think. That's a problem right there. We liberals have no business 'putting together a voice for conservatives.'

But we can still focus on the voter suppression laws. The federal government can make guidelines that could curtail some of what state Republicans are trying to do, and it's shameful some of the obstacles Republicans are blocking the vote with. It's just shameful that Republicans have become anti-voting in the first place. That should be a signal to them to question their motivations. And such honorable measures could even attract the support of some moderate Republicans.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Yea and 911 was committed by Israel and GW Bush. You see a conspiracy behind every tree.
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Just noticed your feeble attempt to make some comedy point with throwing in the First amendment and sedition is not protected and there are many other things that aren't protected also., You just have no clue ace.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello jbander,



There is merit in the idea to make required voting law, but I'd have to think long and hard on that before I could back it. And it is a total moot point anyway. Whether or not I support it does not matter. There is no way America is passing such a controversial law with such a slim Democratic majority. So we can forget that idea.

We have just a small advantage. We have to take small steps. We can't assume that conservative Democratic Senator Joe Manchin is just going to go along with a super wish list.

We can't do anything appreciable to stop the gerrymandering, either. That is controlled state by state, and most of the states are under Republican control.

Getting rid of the fillibuster is a double-edged sword. We should go carefully there. If we did that and lost control in 2022, that could be disaster.

No way we are expanding the SCOTUS with such a slim majority. We don't have enough power to do that.

But say somehow we did all those things, and then we attempted to tell conservatives what to think. That's a problem right there. We liberals have no business 'putting together a voice for conservatives.'

But we can still focus on the voter suppression laws. The federal government can make guidelines that could curtail some of what state Republicans are trying to do, and it's shameful some of the obstacles Republicans are blocking the vote with. It's just shameful that Republicans have become anti-voting in the first place. That should be a signal to them to question their motivations. And such honorable measures could even attract the support of some moderate Republicans.
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Maybe you don't know this but we have the majority in both houses and the presidency. If the democratic party puts total pressure on their representatives they will do as told, or disappear. There is one thing losing election in conservatives states because of Republicans but it is a hell worse losing because of your own party. The supreme court is a automatic. AS a mater of fact of the four I listed any two would bring this hate group down. By the way If the hate party is erased, no Democrat will lose till a new voice is established for Conservatives. You take away laws written by the right to take away the votes of Democrats in Right wing states and Few Hate party candidates even have a chance to win. The only reason the right even exist now is Democrat vote depression laws. Federal laws controlling house and Senate voting is 100% legal and in the Constitution and that alone erases the hate party. By the way Gerrymandering can be controlled by the FED that's why they wrote it in the constitution that they can control the vote in both houses.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello jbander,



There is merit in the idea to make required voting law, but I'd have to think long and hard on that before I could back it. And it is a total moot point anyway. Whether or not I support it does not matter. There is no way America is passing such a controversial law with such a slim Democratic majority. So we can forget that idea.

We have just a small advantage. We have to take small steps. We can't assume that conservative Democratic Senator Joe Manchin is just going to go along with a super wish list.

We can't do anything appreciable to stop the gerrymandering, either. That is controlled state by state, and most of the states are under Republican control.

Getting rid of the fillibuster is a double-edged sword. We should go carefully there. If we did that and lost control in 2022, that could be disaster.

No way we are expanding the SCOTUS with such a slim majority. We don't have enough power to do that.

But say somehow we did all those things, and then we attempted to tell conservatives what to think. That's a problem right there. We liberals have no business 'putting together a voice for conservatives.'

But we can still focus on the voter suppression laws. The federal government can make guidelines that could curtail some of what state Republicans are trying to do, and it's shameful some of the obstacles Republicans are blocking the vote with. It's just shameful that Republicans have become anti-voting in the first place. That should be a signal to them to question their motivations. And such honorable measures could even attract the support of some moderate Republicans.
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By the way there is literally nothing we agree on, Filibuster we gain massively, we lose little they lose a lot. Gerrymandering alone and they are gone. State voter suppression laws can be taken over by the fed. gone. Your idea that Joe Manchin is this countries new king is garbage , he can be dealt with. There is nothing we agree on. Thinking about it more I realized that implementing any Fed control of election and they are gone , implementing a law that everyone has to vote and they are gone. The more I look at it the simpler it gets. Now lets forget all 4 ways I suggested, if we do exactly what they are doing with Democrat voter suppression with only a equal amount of hate party voter suppression and they are toast that way also.
 
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The hate group they call a party doesn't deserve to exist by voter suppression. Conservatives will ultimately thank us if we dumped this hate group. They have all the tools needed to replace the hate party with a real conservative party, so democrats erasing them seems total logical to me.
 
Hello jbander,

jbander said:
Maybe you don't know this but we have the majority in both houses and the presidency. If the democratic party puts total pressure on their representatives they will do as told, or disappear.
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True, but that has never happened, and does not appear to be about to happen now. Our representatives are totally unconcerned with this happening. They spend most of their time fund-raising and in touch with big donors.

jbander said:
There is one thing losing election in conservatives states because of Republicans but it is a hell worse losing because of your own party. The supreme court is a automatic. AS a mater of fact of the four I listed any two would bring this hate group down. By the way If the hate party is erased, no Democrat will lose till a new voice is established for Conservatives. You take away laws written by the right to take away the votes of Democrats in Right wing states and Few Hate party candidates even have a chance to win. The only reason the right even exist now is Democrat vote depression laws. Federal laws controlling house and Senate voting is 100% legal and in the Constitution and that alone erases the hate party. By the way Gerrymandering can be controlled by the FED that's why they wrote it in the constitution that they can control the vote in both houses.
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This assumes that the Democratic lawmakers are concerned with what the voters want. Incorrect assumption. They do what their corporate donors want.

The corporate donors like having the two-party system so they can donate to both sides to stack the deck, and so that each side will bombard the media with reasons to oppose the other side, thus ensuring most voters are more obsessed with fighting the other side than achieving any kind of workable compromise. The corporate donors will never approve of wiping out the Republican party, so neither will the Democratic lawmakers who look to them for direction.
 
Hello jbander,

jbander said:
The hate group they call a party doesn't deserve to exist by voter suppression. Conservatives will ultimately thank us if we dumped this hate group. They have all the tools needed to replace the hate party with a real conservative party, so democrats erasing them seems total logical to me.
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The logic does not consider enough variables.

Primarily, no way we are getting voting mandate.

That's not even on the table.

Do you expect to write a letter to your congressman and suddenly Congress will take it up?

Not happening.

It is a bigger challenge than you think.
 
jbander said:
Just noticed your feeble attempt to make some comedy point with throwing in the First amendment and sedition is not protected and there are many other things that aren't protected also., You just have no clue ace.
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It is clear I know more about the law and constitution than you do sport. Hell you believe that thousands of people traveled to Washington on 6 Jan as part of an attempted coup. Only a total fool would believe such nonsense.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello jbander,



True, but that has never happened, and does not appear to be about to happen now. Our representatives are totally unconcerned with this happening. They spend most of their time fund-raising and in touch with big donors.



This assumes that the Democratic lawmakers are concerned with what the voters want. Incorrect assumption. They do what their corporate donors want.

The corporate donors like having the two-party system so they can donate to both sides to stack the deck, and so that each side will bombard the media with reasons to oppose the other side, thus ensuring most voters are more obsessed with fighting the other side than achieving any kind of workable compromise. The corporate donors will never approve of wiping out the Republican party, so neither will the Democratic lawmakers who look to them for direction.
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oh good Grief!
 
Eagle_Eye said:
Example dumb ass, example of a conspiracy theory like the Jun 6 conspiracy theory you seem to believe in.
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You are bringing up the point that it is a conspiracy, yup you are right that's how it seems to be panning out but no I never said anything about it being a conspiracy.
 
Eagle_Eye said:
It is clear I know more about the law and constitution than you do sport. Hell you believe that thousands of people traveled to Washington on 6 Jan as part of an attempted coup. Only a total fool would believe such nonsense.
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I said nothing about a attempted coup , your making shit up aren't you??Your falling behind and just trying to fake your way through this now. NOt doing a good job.
 
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