The Rise of China

Granule said:
Sure. It's the difference between pipe dreams and reality. You're perfectly willing to set impossible standards for the US, but what about the rest of the world? What about your beloved China?
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You have absolutely no idea what standards I support. You have absolutely no idea of my general attitude towards China. You see, about me, what I tell you to see, no more, no less. At the moment the question concerns America, not China, not the United kingdom or Bhutan or Peru or Zimbabwe.
If you say, 'ahh that is a pipe dream so I'll close my eyes and go back to the right wing injected coma I am always in', then you cannot, ever, be part of what makes things better.
I wonder, have you ever been outside America? On holiday or business for example? Cawacko just got back from China. I think his very brief experience showed him some things good and some things not so good. Same as most places. But that doesn't mean we should not strive to recognise our own failings and correct them and as a RW loony your task is greater than most.
 
Lowaicue said:
You have absolutely no idea what standards I support. You have absolutely no idea of my general attitude towards China. You see, about me, what I tell you to see, no more, no less.
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No, I tell you what I see about you; no more, no less. And right now I see you dodging a very simple query.

Answer the question, please.
 
Granule said:
No, I tell you what I see about you; no more, no less. And right now I see you dodging a very simple query.

Answer the question, please.
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You are referring, I guess, to the question, 'What about your beloved China?'
Perhaps if you were to rephrase it you might be get a response.
let me help you. let's rid ourselves, for the moment, of assumptions and delete 'beloved'. You see, as perhaps has escaped your attention, I am not chinese, I am not in love with China, I happen to live in Hong Kong where, like thousands of others, including not a few of your own countrymen, I have plied a trade that has advantaged my own country, Great Britain.
I probably DO know more than you do about Hong Kong and China so when you ask, 'What about China?' I am genuinely at a loss to know what you want me to say.
Now if you think that is avoiding question then I cannot help you. I am not qualified to treat or to advise idiots. Sorry old chap.
 
Granule said:
I'm going to say bullshit. With organizations like the ACLU and folks with the liberal media breathing down everybody's back, a more accurate guess would be about 3% maybe less.
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Well, even going by your figure of 3% that amounts to around 600 people, are you happy about that?
 
Lowaicue said:
You are referring, I guess, to the question, 'What about your beloved China?'
Perhaps if you were to rephrase it you might be get a response.
let me help you. let's rid ourselves, for the moment, of assumptions and delete 'beloved'. You see, as perhaps has escaped your attention, I am not chinese, I am not in love with China, I happen to live in Hong Kong where, like thousands of others, including not a few of your own countrymen, I have plied a trade that has advantaged my own country, Great Britain.
I probably DO know more than you do about Hong Kong and China so when you ask, 'What about China?' I am genuinely at a loss to know what you want me to say.
Now if you think that is avoiding question then I cannot help you. I am not qualified to treat or to advise idiots. Sorry old chap.
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No apology necessary. You are the equivalent of a liberal democrat here in the U.S. That means you are a moral degenerate with a mental disorder. Of course you can't respond properly. But despite your stunted spirituality, I still like to give people, like you, the opportunity to answer for themselves.

You may go now. ;)
 
Granule said:
No apology necessary. You are the equivalent of a liberal democrat here in the U.S. That means you are a moral degenerate with a mental disorder. Of course you can't respond properly. But despite your stunted spirituality, I still like to give people, like you, the opportunity to answer for themselves.

You may go now. ;)
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Liberal? A believer in freedom and the progress of man. Democrat? A believer in the power of the majority and the obligation for all men to be part of the important decisions of their nation.
Yes, siree. I'll have some of that.
What the bejayzus do YOU believe in?

Obviously just 'US' (the short form of 'useless' in the forces).
 
dixon76710 said:
Considering that the question was quoted in the post on mine you are responding to, that would be a yes.



Anything other than stupid questions to offer?
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The question I saw, I think, was 'what about China.' Well? what kind of answer is required? How about, 'There are a lot of people in China.' or 'Chinese people eat Chinese food' or 'China is doing reasonably well in the Olympics.'
Or was the question, 'Do you have a living example of this in mind?' but that was a response to a post of mine about America. So, I STILL do not know what this loony's question was.
So I suggest you butt out, old son and let the single grained brain man put the question in a way that makes sense and reflects his query.
 
Lowaicue said:
So, I STILL do not know what this loony's question was.
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What are you struggling with, lower? When I ask for a "living example" I'm asking you to describe a country that exhibits the qualities you felt America should possess. The qualities you brought forward in your op.

Now, was that so difficult?
 
For the critical thinkers ..

2020: China Rises, the U.S. Declines and the Planet Strikes Back

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You can already see a new style of writing about China emerging in our American world. The New York Times set it off recently by publishing a front-page piece on a $3.4 billion Chinese investment in one of the planet’s last great copper reserves -- in Afghanistan. In passing, reporter Michael Wines also pointed out that Chinese energy companies had gained a stronger foothold in the future exploitation of Iraq’s massive oil reserves than had U.S. multinationals. The ironies were legion and painfully visible.

Our two wars have been sucking us dry in two countries where state-owned Chinese companies have just scored significant economic victories. “While the United States spends hundreds of billions of dollars fighting the Taliban and Al Qaeda [in Afghanistan],” wrote Wines, “China is securing raw material for its voracious economy. The world’s superpower is focused on security. Its fastest rising competitor concentrates on commerce.”

http://www.alternet.org/story/14496...the_u.s._declines_and_the_planet_strikes_back
 
blackascoal said:
For the critical thinkers ..

2020: China Rises, the U.S. Declines and the Planet Strikes Back

excerpt --

You can already see a new style of writing about China emerging in our American world. The New York Times set it off recently by publishing a front-page piece on a $3.4 billion Chinese investment in one of the planet’s last great copper reserves -- in Afghanistan. In passing, reporter Michael Wines also pointed out that Chinese energy companies had gained a stronger foothold in the future exploitation of Iraq’s massive oil reserves than had U.S. multinationals. The ironies were legion and painfully visible.
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Only to those of you who had convinced yourselves that we invaded Iraq and Afghanistan to exploit their resources.
 
blackascoal said:
For the critical thinkers ..

2020: China Rises, the U.S. Declines and the Planet Strikes Back

excerpt --

You can already see a new style of writing about China emerging in our American world. The New York Times set it off recently by publishing a front-page piece on a $3.4 billion Chinese investment in one of the planet’s last great copper reserves -- in Afghanistan. In passing, reporter Michael Wines also pointed out that Chinese energy companies had gained a stronger foothold in the future exploitation of Iraq’s massive oil reserves than had U.S. multinationals. The ironies were legion and painfully visible.

Our two wars have been sucking us dry in two countries where state-owned Chinese companies have just scored significant economic victories. “While the United States spends hundreds of billions of dollars fighting the Taliban and Al Qaeda [in Afghanistan],” wrote Wines, “China is securing raw material for its voracious economy. The world’s superpower is focused on security. Its fastest rising competitor concentrates on commerce.”

http://www.alternet.org/story/14496...the_u.s._declines_and_the_planet_strikes_back
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The "business of America used to be business," China learned that after being the "sick man of Asia for a century". It came about as a way for the Communist PArty hold power, after seeing the fall of the Soviets, they had to improve their society -Deng Tao Peng(sp) figured out uplift the masses freom dirt poverty, and they'll let the Empire stay around.

Anyways I don't want to get too detialed about the difference in the ways our societies operate -the OUTCOMES are important here.

Somehow the US/NAto Sock Puppets think war is profitable; we are the #1 supplier of arms to the world, China is building up its forces, but shows no intent to use them - still they they have them as a deterent to US hegemony.
I got lots of complaints about China and Tibet - but I won't dwell on that as the Dalai Lama has told us how to respond .

China is just not playing the dumb dumb game of adventurism, they are focused on becoming THE world economic power, as our economy sputters along.

We lost our way - it's not too late, but we can't go on with the MIC, and "perpetual wars" on terror - or whom we deem unworthy of existence.

I love this country, really do, but that doesn't mean i'm blind to it's faults, and jingoism is a BIG fault.
Maybe we'll figure it out -commerce, and wealth are what makes a nation able to project "soft power". "Hard power" projection just enables other nations to see our beligerent behavior -why we're losing the economic opportunities,as China is gaining.
 
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