The safety nuts are at it again

Cypress said:
Watermark is in that smallish demographic of 30-something Incels who are just too weird, obsessive, and bizarre to have relationships, girlfriends, wives, or full time jobs, and frequently have live with their mother and make some money doing Uber eats or selling stuff on the internet.
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Is that a fact, sex pest?

BTW, Winterborn doesn't like it when posters go off-topic, or so he says.



WinterBorn said:
I guess it is easier to just throw baseless accusations out than to actually debate the topic.
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WinterBorn said:
Actually, I'd rather get back to the actual topic of the thread.
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WinterBorn said:
BTW, what is it with your fixation and your fondness for ignoring the topic?
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WinterBorn said:
But how about getting back to the topic? This is becoming boring.
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Roll, Tide!
 
Althea said:
Thus far, I've read nothing to suggest this technology.
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It's pretty simple:

The requirements are that there is someone sitting on a particular seat and they are wearing their seatbelt. You want to ensure that the seatbelt is being worn by the occupant to the maximum extent possible.

To do this you need three sensors:

One on the seat to detect weight in the seat, say 50 lbs. or something like that so it can detect if a child or adult is in the seat.
One to detect that the seatbelt is locked in place.
A third could be added to tell the seatbelt was moved from being retracted to being pulled out.

All you need after that is a simple program in something like ladder logic to make things work.

1. There is weight on the seat meeting the requirements for someone sitting in it.
2. The seatbelt was NOT locked in place when that weight occurred.
3. The seatbelt was pulled out after the weight on the seat occurred.
4. The seatbelt is locked in place after the weight occurred and the seatbelt was pulled out.

If you don't meet all four requirements, the alarm goes off. The vehicle does not have to be running to meet these requirements. If the vehicle is not running, the alarm will not sound.

So, if there is no weight on the seat and the seatbelt is locked in place, the alarm goes off.
If there is weight on the seat and the seatbelt was not pulled out after that weight was sensed and locked in place, the alarm goes off.
If the weight is removed, the sequence repeats. You have to unlock and then retract, pull back out, and refasten the seatbelt.
It's all a few lines of code. You could stick it on an 8- or 16-bit chip easily.

This means you cannot leave the belt clipped in place. You cannot use a belt clip as a substitute.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It's pretty simple:

The requirements are that there is someone sitting on a particular seat and they are wearing their seatbelt. You want to ensure that the seatbelt is being worn by the occupant to the maximum extent possible.

To do this you need three sensors:

One on the seat to detect weight in the seat, say 50 lbs. or something like that so it can detect if a child or adult is in the seat.
One to detect that the seatbelt is locked in place.
A third could be added to tell the seatbelt was moved from being retracted to being pulled out.

All you need after that is a simple program in something like ladder logic to make things work.

1. There is weight on the seat meeting the requirements for someone sitting in it.
2. The seatbelt was NOT locked in place when that weight occurred.
3. The seatbelt was pulled out after the weight on the seat occurred.
4. The seatbelt is locked in place after the weight occurred and the seatbelt was pulled out.

If you don't meet all four requirements, the alarm goes off. The vehicle does not have to be running to meet these requirements. If the vehicle is not running, the alarm will not sound.

So, if there is no weight on the seat and the seatbelt is locked in place, the alarm goes off.
If there is weight on the seat and the seatbelt was not pulled out after that weight was sensed and locked in place, the alarm goes off.
If the weight is removed, the sequence repeats. You have to unlock and then retract, pull back out, and refasten the seatbelt.
It's all a few lines of code. You could stick it on an 8- or 16-bit chip easily.

This means you cannot leave the belt clipped in place. You cannot use a belt clip as a substitute.
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Would the weight of a dead cat fool the seat sensor?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It's pretty simple:

The requirements are that there is someone sitting on a particular seat and they are wearing their seatbelt. You want to ensure that the seatbelt is being worn by the occupant to the maximum extent possible.

To do this you need three sensors:

One on the seat to detect weight in the seat, say 50 lbs. or something like that so it can detect if a child or adult is in the seat.
One to detect that the seatbelt is locked in place.
A third could be added to tell the seatbelt was moved from being retracted to being pulled out.

All you need after that is a simple program in something like ladder logic to make things work.

1. There is weight on the seat meeting the requirements for someone sitting in it.
2. The seatbelt was NOT locked in place when that weight occurred.
3. The seatbelt was pulled out after the weight on the seat occurred.
4. The seatbelt is locked in place after the weight occurred and the seatbelt was pulled out.

If you don't meet all four requirements, the alarm goes off. The vehicle does not have to be running to meet these requirements. If the vehicle is not running, the alarm will not sound.

So, if there is no weight on the seat and the seatbelt is locked in place, the alarm goes off.
If there is weight on the seat and the seatbelt was not pulled out after that weight was sensed and locked in place, the alarm goes off.
If the weight is removed, the sequence repeats. You have to unlock and then retract, pull back out, and refasten the seatbelt.
It's all a few lines of code. You could stick it on an 8- or 16-bit chip easily.

This means you cannot leave the belt clipped in place. You cannot use a belt clip as a substitute.
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And there it is. Manufacturers don't care if you live or die. They only care about complying with new regulations. The weight sensors are indeed necessary for the airbags.

If some idiot wants to get into the back seat and simply snap the belt behind them, I'm quite sure that would work.
 
Althea said:
And there it is. Manufacturers don't care if you live or die. They only care about complying with new regulations. The weight sensors are indeed necessary for the airbags.

If some idiot wants to get into the back seat and simply snap the belt behind them, I'm quite sure that would work.
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It would, but you'd have to do so after being seated and that process could look quite similar to a monkey fucking a football given the proportions of many car's backseats these days.
 
Kurmugeon said:
Much the same could be said of Vaccinations.
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Vaccines would be more like the ban on drinking and driving. Contagious diseases spread from one person to another, much like drunken drivers crash into other people.

Getting back to seatbelt laws, I had a drunken driver crash into my parked car. He was not wearing a seatbelt, and so caused himself serious brain damage for life. He sued me, figuring that a jury will take sympathy on him. His lawyer illegally mentioned that insurance would pay all my costs, several times, to try to get the jury to find against me. I won the trial, but because the insurance company had to pay money for the trial, they now charge me higher insurance rates.

Not wearing your seatbelt costs other people too.
 
Althea said:
All warnings stop after a certain amount of time.
If you aren't intelligent enough to figure out that all you have to do is snap the rear seatbelts all the time, then you probably shouldn't be driving.
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No, they don't. They ding every 30 seconds until the seatbelt is connected.
What do you drive that they stop dinging after a certain amount of time?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Because the last time the safety nuts tried this they included the features I mentioned. They were clever enough to see that someone might do that so they required that the system nullify that being done.

Today, doing that is a matter of programming a chip to recognize that the belt was clipped in place without weight on the seat and set the seatbelt alarm off. Or that the weight on the seat occurred after the seatbelt was clipped into place.

In industrial ladder logic of the sort, this stuff uses, it's just one or two lines of code to add.
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^^^
Anti-vaxxer
 
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