The Skill Collapse"If Only You Knew How Bad Things Really Are"

Walt said:
You cannot afford groceries? Give us more details so we can understand your suffering.

My memories of a little over four years ago was a time of shortages. Everyone had a lot of money, but not much to buy with it. It created inflation, which only now have we reduced to near target.
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Walter you may be beyond help.


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Into the Night said:
Tech is an industry in particular that is into fads a lot. If you aren't experienced in the latest fad, out the door ya go! The problems suffered by the Tech industry is self inflicted.

Coding skills are coding skills. Skill comes from experience, not school.
When you hire some green engineer out of school, they can't solder, they can't handle screwdriver safely, they can't handle machine equipment safety. They don't know how to weld, they don't know how to properly identify pin 1 on a chip, they don't know electronic construction techniques.

They have to be taught all this on the job.

Kids coming out of school can't code their way out of a wet paper bag.
Coding too comes with experience.

New plumber or electrician? These guys know nothing. You start 'em sorting parts in the truck, so they know what they are. THEN you give 'em a simple fixture to plumb, or some outlets to wire, but only AFTER you show them exactly what to do and then watch them actually do it for themselves.

It takes time. If a business wants to hire someone that will hit the ground running, they had better hire someone with extensive experience.
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Coding is the equivalent of this today:

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It's semi-skilled, low-pay, repetitive grunt work.
 
Hume said:
And you did not cite your source for the text. So you are just babbling about nothing.
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Ms. Edwina is a criminal like most MAGAts. She's a plagiarist, a thief and a breaker of Rule #5.

She better get that donation in fast. :thup:

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Into the Night said:
Kids coming out of school can't code their way out of a wet paper bag.
Coding too comes with experience.
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I'd like to add that code editing by itself is an invaluable skill that should be taught in high school but isn't. "Typing" (or "Keyboarding") should be expanded to include proficiency in editors like vi(m).

Also, basic modeling, for communication purposes.

Imagine if high school students could code, edit and model, and then add onto that basic database experience and familiarity with SQL, JSON, APIs and object oriented design, and we would have massive value emerging from our high schools.
 
As bad as you think things are the reality they are way worse.....you can bet your house on this.

MISTRESS! and I disagree on this point.

And that is OK.
 
I coded a lot of controller boards using microprocessors, mostly using assembly and machine language. It was indeed tedious and boring. That was one of the reasons it paid well; nobody wanted to do it. With electronic devices, a lot of it was merely calculating dozens of timing loops across gates, capacitors, resistors, etc. so that data reached inputs and outputs at the correct times together across multiple electronic components on the same digital clock cycles. Karnaugh mapping was kind of challenging, but after that it was all pure tedium. Higher level languages were even more boring.
 
Into the Night said:
Coding skills are coding skills. Skill comes from experience, not school.
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Maybe back in the 1970's, but today there is a fair amount of school learning that you have to do to become a really hardcore software engineer.

Into the Night said:
When you hire some green engineer out of school, they can't solder,
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Do you think an iPhone is soldered by people?

Into the Night said:
Tech is an industry in particular that is into fads a lot. If you aren't experienced in the latest fad, out the door ya go! The problems suffered by the Tech industry is self inflicted.
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If you have a masters degree in computer science, computer engineering, or something serious like that, you can pickup any new techniques in a few hours. If not, you might be able to learn them sooner or later on the job, but it will be difficult.

Into the Night said:
New plumber or electrician?
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You are having trouble understanding the difference between education and training.
 
EdwinA said:
Good article on the results of left wing education policy failures, some of which we can see here on this board in nearly every thread ...

The progressive myth of the march of history contends that each generation will be smarter, more free, have more resources, and build ever-upward on the skills of the subsequent generation. As if standing on the shoulders of giants. It is demonstrably true that the current crop of 18–21-year-olds will join the workforce poorer, dumber, and far less skilled than their parents or grandparents. I’m not here to argue the case about this; even in liberal circles there is much hand-wringing about this undeniable reality and how it requires further state intervention and management. I’m here to show you the negative feedback loop skill loss and how—if it continues—it will lead to a collapse.

I think the author fails to realize collapse is the goal of the left, not a mistake.

The FAA anecdote is interesting by itself.

He also fails to note corporate culture itself is why they 'can't find good help these days'; it's the smart ones mid-level managers fear and get rid of first, via assorted tactics and gimmicks, while higher level management just assumes the supply of lowly prole skilled labor is endless and thinks everybody below them should only get minimum wage forever. Tech is the worst about sudden layoffs and then whining when they need people two or three years later, only to find they all moved or changed careers. But they still won't offer more money, instead they collude to hold wages down and make non-compete agreements; illegal though they are, they rarely get caught.
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yes.

we know you're an h1b traitor who lies about Americans.

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Walt said:
Maybe back in the 1970's, but today there is a fair amount of school learning that you have to do to become a really hardcore software engineer.


Do you think an iPhone is soldered by people?


If you have a masters degree in computer science, computer engineering, or something serious like that, you can pickup any new techniques in a few hours. If not, you might be able to learn them sooner or later on the job, but it will be difficult.


You are having trouble understanding the difference between education and training.
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so why should all the jobs be given to immigrants?

because globalists hate Americans and Indians are racist against white people?
 
IBDaMann said:
... but you never got the practical experience to learn that software development pays very well and requires intelligence, even if entry positions involve lots of code editing.
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Actually, I knew that, but it doesn't require you be a coding genius to do it. Rather, you'd be better off being a mathematician and coming up with something like a new and more effective algorithm to sort data or the like. Writing the program is the easy part.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Actually, I knew that, but it doesn't require you be a coding genius to do it. Rather, you'd be better off being a mathematician and coming up with something like a new and more effective algorithm to sort data or the like. Writing the program is the easy part.
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oh really.

why do we need h1b visas for programmers then, arrogant asshole?
 
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