The So Called Deadly Climate Obsession of Governments, written by an idiot

[Saint Guinefort]

Were you there?

Is there a point in asking IntoTheNight a question? Do they answer questions or just make ridiculous Poe posts?

 

[AProudLefty]

Is there a point in asking IntoTheNight a question? Do they answer questions or just make ridiculous Poe posts?

There is no point. It's just a simple amusement.

 

[Into the Night]

So humans should stop swimming at beaches?

Contextomy fallacy. Stay on topic, dumbass.

 

[Into the Night]

I've spent huge amounts of time looking at coal under a microscope for my dissertation.

Whoopie. What dissertation?

Plant structures throughout. Plant cells, plant cell fillings, tracheids, you name it.

Coal is primarily carbon, not plants. If you plant it, it won't grow.

Chemically I've processed it and analyzed it any number of ways. Did a LOT of FTIR on the stuff. Trust me: there are a lot of organic compounds in coal. A lot.

Carbon is not organic.

Carbon from plants and algae.

How do you know? Were you there?

I wish I understood why you think this game is clever or even marginally entertaining. Does it get you off somehow to play this ?

What game?

 

[Into the Night]

Is there a point in asking IntoTheNight a question?

Sure. Ask away.

Do they answer questions or just make ridiculous Poe posts?

Who are 'they'?

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Corporations are part of our society. They are run by people. Those people should have a say in things just like the rest of us. Therefore, if the people running a corporation want to do something that favors their corporation, they should get a say too.

with individual donations.

citizens united decision allowed unlimited corporate giving.

that's fascism.

corporations are not people.

why did libertarians become fascists?

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Yes. Many in the GOP are in the pockets of those yuge corporations.

and dems too.
especially big pharma and social media.

the naziism and the mind control.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Whoopie. What dissertation?

Coal is primarily carbon, not plants. If you plant it, it won't grow.

Carbon is not organic.

How do you know? Were you there?

What game?

Oh look! The guy who thinks he's clever and funny is posting more!

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Sure. Ask away.

Why are you posting and wasting people's time?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

with individual donations.

citizens united decision allowed unlimited corporate giving.

that's fascism.

corporations are not people.

why did libertarians become fascists?

Corporations are made up of people. People run corporations. How is that any different from a labor union, special interest group, political interest group, or anything else where people gather for a common purpose?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I've spent huge amounts of time looking at coal under a microscope for my dissertation. Plant structures throughout. Plant cells, plant cell fillings, tracheids, you name it.
Chemically I've processed it and analyzed it any number of ways. Did a LOT of FTIR on the stuff. Trust me: there are a lot of organic compounds in coal. A lot.
Carbon from plants and algae.
I wish I understood why you think this game is clever or even marginally entertaining. Does it get you off somehow to play this ?

Actually, I agree with you here...

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

The bureaucrats always go too far at some point. It's an inevitability of how bureaucracies work. See Parkenson's Law for more on that. A bureaucracy always goes towards expansion of its power and towards total control.

I don't feel safer in a world or society that tends towards zero tolerance on, well, virtually everything. You can be too safe. Environmental regulations that seek to eliminate all pollution are a fool's errand that will end up destroying society rather than helping it.

Things like environmental laws and rules shouldn't be based on feelings and a popular vote either. Ill-informed (stupid) voters are a serious potential threat to the stability of a society.

there is real pollution.

carbon monoxide isn't it.

it does seem like you really believe no regulation is best.

that's brainless clueless idiocy.

when did you start worshipping corporations and fascism?

what do you call it when the government is all in on enforcing mandates for products of big pharma? do you think corporations hate that, or are they for it?

just be fucking honest one time.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Corporations are made up of people. People run corporations. How is that any different from a labor union, special interest group, political interest group, or anything else where people gather for a common purpose?

people are not corporations.

right, corporations are another special interest, with flaws, with plusses and minuses like all others.


quit being a fucking fascist idiot.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Government for the sake of government??? Apparently you support a government because government is inherently 'good'. This puts you into supporting dictators and oligarchies simply because they exist!

Illiteracy: Proper nouns are always capitalized.
I am not a Libertarian. I am a Conservative. BTW, Libertarians are not anarchists.

i do believe in the existence of a government.

you don't.

you're an anarchist and a fucking idiot.

corporate rule would be worse. idiot.

remember mr freedom, the constitution is a government document.


and none of you libertarian pseudo-intellectuals will give your opinion on klaus schwab, and w.e.f.

good people doing good things?


quit embracing evil, you fucksticks.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

libertarians overlook all corporate malfeasance because they are fucking retarded.


and now dems do too because it's clear the corporate agenda is mass murder.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Oh look! The guy who thinks he's clever and funny is posting more!

libertarians have become retarded over the past few years.

globalism-parroting fascist suckups.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Corporations are part of our society. They are run by people. Those people should have a say in things just like the rest of us. Therefore, if the people running a corporation want to do something that favors their corporation, they should get a say too.

the more i read this the more preposterous it is.

poor disenfranchised corporations......

really.......

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Is there a point in asking IntoTheNight a question? Do they answer questions or just make ridiculous Poe posts?

his pronouns are zee/zim.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

there is real pollution.

carbon monoxide isn't it.

it does seem like you really believe no regulation is best.

that's brainless clueless idiocy.

when did you start worshipping corporations and fascism?

what do you call it when the government is all in on enforcing mandates for products of big pharma? do you think corporations hate that, or are they for it?

just be fucking honest one time.

I want reasonable regulations. Here's an example: The EPA set for decades the standard for arsenic in water at 50 ppb. That's nothing. At 50 ppm--like you find in places like Bangladesh--arsenic is a health hazard and over time will fuck you up. That's 1000 times the US limit.
During the Clinton administration, test equipment had improved to where even a few ppb of arsenic in water could be measured. The EPA based on nothing reduced the allowable limit to 10 ppb. That cost people getting their drinking water from ground water as much as $100+ a month more for no discernable increase in public safety or health.

So, the US is spending billions to get arsenic out of drinking water that was perfectly safe at the old level. The same thing has happened with hexavalent chromium.

Yet, another example is allowable ozone pollution. Right now 75 ppb is the standard. During the Obama administration the EPA tried to lower this to 70 ppb claiming that the 35 to 50 billion-a-year cost of doing so would save 35 to 50 billion-a-year in medical costs due to asthma. It was amazing how the cost of their proposed regulation just magically was equal to the medical savings.
When Congress questioned this, the EPA refused outright even when subpoenaed, to provide Congress with their original research showing how they got to that number. The fight kept this regulation from being enacted.
Again, a reasonable standard and regulation was being replaced with a stricter one that the EPA could not openly justify. They wanted it simply because that's what bureaucrats do.

Having a reasonable standard is good and I have no problem with such regulations. I have a problem with the zero tolerance / we have to DO SOMETHING! mentality. No, we don't need a zero standard like 90% of the time, and we don't have to do something just to do it. I am a skeptic when it comes to new regulations by government. I don't believe that government has our best interests in mind much of the time when they make them.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

During the Clinton administration, test equipment had improved to where even a few ppb of arsenic in water could be measured. The EPA based on nothing reduced the allowable limit to 10 ppb.

That's not entirely true. It wasn't "based on nothing" but rather quite a few expert peer reviews:

Reports and recommendations on the science, cost of compliance, and benefits analyses in support of the 10 ppb final arsenic in drinking water rule were made available for review and public comment.

These reports were prepared by independent, expert panels convened by the:

National Academy of Sciences
National Drinking Water Advisory Council
EPA Science Advisory Board
(SOURCE)

So, the US is spending billions to get arsenic out of drinking water that was perfectly safe at the old level. The same thing has happened with hexavalent chromium.

Again, you act as if no one actually researches these things. That is incorrect.