The So Called Deadly Climate Obsession of Governments, written by an idiot

[Into the Night]

They are not going to "shift to electric vehicles". It's a gradual process. It's like with any technology advance. It gradually changes. It's going to take years and years.

EV's are not a 'technology advance'. The planet does not need 'saving'. It's quite big enough to take care of itself.

 

[Into the Night]

Gotta disagree son, they are. They said 2030 and they mean it.

2030 - 2022 is eight years...in other words, years and years.

'They' are just politicians forcing mandates. This is fascism.

These are the same politicians that prohibit you from charging your electric car because their power system can't handle it.
These are the same politicians that are 'for the children', even though lithium and cobalt mining involve child labor and child slavery and they also support the murder of your own offspring for convenience.
These are the same politicians that locked down the economy over a fairly benign virus, causing an economic depression that is still with us today.
These are the same politicians that are causing high fuel prices by shutting down domestic production.

These are the Democrats.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Governments everywhere have been undermining productive work, driven by a destructive climate change ideology that has developed into an obsession: stopping greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, despite human suffering.

Look at this. This is what the idiot actually says.


On Labor Day (and every day) we ought to celebrate productive work and those who perform it because productive work makes our life possible and gives it meaning. However, governments everywhere have been undermining productive work, driven by a destructive climate change ideology that has developed into an obsession: stopping greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, despite human suffering.

The productive work is not being undermining. What we want is human beings being safe from destructive effects they have been causing to the environment and their health.

https://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2022/09/the-deadly-climate-obsession-of-governments/

This assumes they are correct, which they aren't. That's the rub. If those claiming climate change is due primarily to human activity are wrong, then they are harming humanity with many of their forced solutions. The problem for those claiming human activity is to blame is they have no way to prove that their actions will solve the problem. They don't know.

However, we do know that those same people made claims in the past like with the hole in the ozone layer where their actions were taken only to see them fail utterly and completely. It doesn't argue well that they're correct this time on climate change.

 

[McRocket]

Governments everywhere have been undermining productive work, driven by a destructive climate change ideology that has developed into an obsession: stopping greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, despite human suffering.

Look at this. This is what the idiot actually says.


On Labor Day (and every day) we ought to celebrate productive work and those who perform it because productive work makes our life possible and gives it meaning. However, governments everywhere have been undermining productive work, driven by a destructive climate change ideology that has developed into an obsession: stopping greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, despite human suffering.

The productive work is not being undermining. What we want is human beings being safe from destructive effects they have been causing to the environment and their health.

https://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2022/09/the-deadly-climate-obsession-of-governments/

You posted this in a confusing manner, imo.

You made it - to me - look like everything above the link was part of the article.

I suggest that you put ',' around the actual words you are quoting - not just put them in italics.
And place the link directly under the quotation.
Not after the quotation AND your comments on it.

Just sayin'...

 

[McRocket]

EV's are not a 'technology advance'. The planet does not need 'saving'. It's quite big enough to take care of itself.

Says the man who never, EVER backs up his scientific theories with links to unbiased sources (that I have seen).

But you probably take the word of Jordan Peterson - a shrink with ZERO training on the subject?
Over actual 'climate scientists'.
https://www.pedestrian.tv/entertainment/jordan-peterson-climate-change/


As I have said, many times, I think global warming is a thing.
But not nearly as bad as the doom-and-gloomers make it out to be.
And I think governments should stay OUT of it.
And leave it to the public...no matter how bad it gets.

On one side - it's the 'sky is falling', far left.
And on the other side - it's the COMPLETE DENIAL, far right.
Both of you are wrong.
And both of you - in different ways - are WRECKING things for the rest of us.


Let the citizens decide what is what.
And what to do about it.
NOT the governments.
Or psychologists who know NOTHING about the environment...like Jordan Peterson and his incel followers.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Governments everywhere have been undermining productive work, driven by a destructive climate change ideology that has developed into an obsession: stopping greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, despite human suffering.

Look at this. This is what the idiot actually says.


On Labor Day (and every day) we ought to celebrate productive work and those who perform it because productive work makes our life possible and gives it meaning. However, governments everywhere have been undermining productive work, driven by a destructive climate change ideology that has developed into an obsession: stopping greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions, despite human suffering.

The productive work is not being undermining. What we want is human beings being safe from destructive effects they have been causing to the environment and their health.

https://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2022/09/the-deadly-climate-obsession-of-governments/

climate ideology is a destructive force.

he's correct.

 

[Into the Night]

This assumes they are correct, which they aren't. That's the rub. If those claiming climate change is due primarily to human activity are wrong, then they are harming humanity with many of their forced solutions. The problem for those claiming human activity is to blame is they have no way to prove that their actions will solve the problem. They don't know.

However, we do know that those same people made claims in the past like with the hole in the ozone layer where their actions were taken only to see them fail utterly and completely. It doesn't argue well that they're correct this time on climate change.

Yup. It's the same bunch.

The Church of the Ozone Hole, the Church of Green, the Church of Global Warming, and the Church of Covid all stem from the Church of Karl Marx. The 'solutions' are always about tyranny.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

Yup. It's the same bunch.

The Church of the Ozone Hole

Do you not think CFC's harmed the ozone layer? Interesting.

, the Church of Green, the Church of Global Warming, and the Church of Covid all stem from the Church of Karl Marx. The 'solutions' are always about tyranny.

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Look, I get it, "religion" is for the simpleminded, but just because YOU don't understand SCIENCE doesn't mean the science is wrong. In this case it just means you are.

Maybe if you could bother to take a science class! (Make sure to tell us you have a doctorate in engineering or some such silliness now)

 

[Into the Night]

Says the man who never, EVER backs up his scientific theories with links to unbiased sources (that I have seen).

I didn't create the 1st or 2nd laws of thermodynamics which you ignore, nor the Stefan-Boltzmann law. A theory of science does not require a Holy Link or a 'source'. You just want to ignore and discard them.

But you probably take the word of Jordan Peterson - a shrink with ZERO training on the subject?

Science isn't 'training'.

Over actual 'climate scientists'.

No such thing. 'Climate scientists' deny and routinely discard and deny the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics and the Stefan-Boltzmann law.

As I have said, many times, I think global warming is a thing.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. It is not even possible to measure the temperature of the Earth.

But not nearly as bad as the doom-and-gloomers make it out to be.

Yet you make the same claims and ignore the same laws as everyone else in the Church of Global Warming.

And I think governments should stay OUT of it.

You should probably read the Constitution of the United States some day.

And leave it to the public...no matter how bad it gets.

How bad what gets???????!?

On one side - it's the 'sky is falling', far left.
And on the other side - it's the COMPLETE DENIAL, far right.

Yes. I deny the Church of Global Warming, utterly. It routinely (like you) ignore theories of science.

Both of you are wrong.

You cannot simply declare theories of science to be wrong. Argument of the Stone fallacy.

And both of you - in different ways - are WRECKING things for the rest of us.

What am I wrecking????!?

Let the citizens decide what is what.

I am a citizen. You won't let me decide what is what?

And what to do about it.

Nothing needs to be done about a meaningless buzzword or a religion that discards science, other than teaching people the theories of science they are discarding.

NOT the governments.

Go read the Constitution of the United States. It's very enlightening.

Or psychologists who know NOTHING about the environment...like Jordan Peterson and his incel followers.

I don't give a shit about names. I am only describing the theories of science you ignore because of your religion.

No gas or vapor has the capability to warm the Earth. You can't create energy out of nothing.

 

[Into the Night]

Do you not think CFC's harmed the ozone layer? Interesting.

CFC's don't react with ozone. You can put CFC's into a tank of ozone and nothing happens.

It is not possible to destroy the ozone layer. See the Chapman cycle, which is another theory of science you are ignoring.

Look, I get it, "religion" is for the simpleminded,

Like you?

but just because YOU don't understand SCIENCE doesn't mean the science is wrong.

You discard science. You so far have discarded the 1st and 2nd laws of thermodynamics, the Stefan-Boltzmann law, Planck's laws, quantum mechanics (the work of Einstein, Schrodinger, and Heisenberg), and Kirchoff's Equivalence law.

In this case it just means you are.

You are describing yourself again.

Maybe if you could bother to take a science class!

Science isn't a class.

(Make sure to tell us you have a doctorate in engineering or some such silliness now)

Science isn't engineering.

You can't destroy the ozone layer.
You can't create energy out of nothing.
You cannot trap heat.
You cannot trap light.
You cannot trap thermal energy. There is always heat.
You cannot reduce entropy...ever.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Do you not think CFC's harmed the ozone layer? Interesting.

The climate scientists said some 40+ years ago that banning CFC's would seal the hole in the ozone layer at the S. Pole in 30 years. It's still there, still the same size, and now they've found an even larger one over the S. Atlantic.

https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...-hole-13th-largest-will-persist-into-november

Other climate scientists are now saying it'll take another 50 years (they'll be retired or dead by that time so they won't have to take a hit for being wrong).

https://www.euronews.com/green/2022...ant-milestone-as-harmful-chemicals-drop-by-50

So, if CFC's were the cause, wouldn't the hole they predicted would be gone be gone and they wouldn't be finding a new even bigger one?

https://bgr.com/science/scientists-...layer-that-could-affect-50-of-the-population/

These guys are clueless. Their "science" is so sloppy and porous it isn't worth paying attention to them.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

We're all fucked. I thought DTE was kidding about renewable energy until the brownouts hit. These people are absolutely fucking serious, don't think they're not.

why are those who don't live in California fucked?.....

 

[Saint Guinefort]

The climate scientists said some 40+ years ago that banning CFC's would seal the hole in the ozone layer at the S. Pole in 30 years. It's still there, still the same size, and now they've found an even larger one over the S. Atlantic.

Actually the Montreal Protocols are generally considered a success. Even NASA (whom you quote) also thinks that:

Measurements show that the decline in chlorine, resulting from an international ban on chlorine-containing manmade chemicals called chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs), has resulted in about 20 percent less ozone depletion during the Antarctic winter than there was in 2005 — the first year that measurements of chlorine and ozone during the Antarctic winter were made by NASA’s Aura satellite.

“We see very clearly that chlorine from CFCs is going down in the ozone hole, and that less ozone depletion is occurring because of it,” said lead author Susan Strahan, an atmospheric scientist from NASA’s Goddard Space Flight Center in Greenbelt, Maryland.
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddar...-of-ozone-hole-recovery-due-to-chemicals-ban/

Fun factoid: eons ago I was working as an oceanographic chem tech and one group at the facility I worked at used CFC's dissolved in sea water as a chemical tracer to track water movement in the ocean. After the early 1990's they started to see significant decreases in the level of various CFC's that were used as tracers and it was getting to be difficult to use them as tracers because of the MOntreal Protocol.

 

[AProudLefty]

climate ideology is a destructive force.

he's correct.

How so?

 

[AProudLefty]

EV's are not a 'technology advance'. The planet does not need 'saving'. It's quite big enough to take care of itself.

Buzzword fallacy.

 

[AProudLefty]

This assumes they are correct, which they aren't. That's the rub. If those claiming climate change is due primarily to human activity are wrong, then they are harming humanity with many of their forced solutions. The problem for those claiming human activity is to blame is they have no way to prove that their actions will solve the problem. They don't know.

However, we do know that those same people made claims in the past like with the hole in the ozone layer where their actions were taken only to see them fail utterly and completely. It doesn't argue well that they're correct this time on climate change.

Forced how?

 

[AProudLefty]

EV's are not a 'technology advance'. The planet does not need 'saving'. It's quite big enough to take care of itself.

I suppose you think computers are not a technology advance.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Forced how?

The clear example of that is they claimed eliminating CFC's would fix the problem. It didn't. In fact, they found more problems. Now they've changed their tune and are claiming the replacement for CFC's, HCFC's or HFC's are a "greenhouse gas," something they initially didn't claim, and need to be eliminated for that reason. This is after decades of the same idiots claiming CO2 is the problem and needs to be eliminated.

The climate change alarmists and such keep changing their story while accomplishing nothing. How many times will we listen to them cry "wolf?"

 

[AProudLefty]

The clear example of that is they claimed eliminating CFC's would fix the problem. It didn't. In fact, they found more problems. Now they've changed their tune and are claiming the replacement for CFC's, HCFC's or HFC's are a "greenhouse gas," something they initially didn't claim, and need to be eliminated for that reason. This is after decades of the same idiots claiming CO2 is the problem and needs to be eliminated.

The climate change alarmists and such keep changing their story while accomplishing nothing. How many times will we listen to them cry "wolf?"

Someone here already explained that.

 

[AProudLefty]

Geology isn't a course.

I think you'll find the Church of Green disagrees with you.

There is no such thing. Heat is not a budget. Heat is not contained in anything.

Special pleading fallacy.

Buzzword fallacy. Wordstuffing. Trolling.