The stick vs. the carrot (online discussions here)

Scott said:
If you're talking about what I mean by civilized discussions, I just mean discussions were people aren't insulting each other on a regular basis. I think that in such discussions, it's easier to separate fact from fiction because people are focusing on the evidence for various positions, rather then their hatred for each other.
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You're a pussy.
 
Scott said:
True, and I think that's a good thing. I actually made a thread on that:
Scott

Thread 'Bill Maher goes to the White House for a dinner with Trump'

I don't always agree with Bill Maher, but I definitely agree with his decision to try to have dinner with Trump and with Trump's decision to agree to it. Below is Mr. Maher's 13 minute summation of his dinner there:
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxlopbcfXpQ&ab_channel=RealTimewithBillMaher


I listened to the whole thing, and I for one am glad it happened. Maher was clearly critical of Trump at some points, but I got the distinct impression that he was trying to find common ground, and I think he definitely found it.

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From what I've read, I think Chamberlain was smart to -try- to make peace with Germany. However, with hindsight, it now seems clear that he trusted Hitler too much. After World War I, a lot of German lands and its people's were sectioned off to other countries. I think trying too find a balance there made sense. I decided to do a bit of reading on it, and it would appear that early on, Hitler had been intent on betraying him. From Wikipedia:
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Before leaving the Führerbau, Chamberlain requested a private conference with Hitler. Hitler agreed, and the two met at Hitler's apartment in the city later that morning. Chamberlain urged restraint in the implementation of the agreement and requested that the Germans not bomb Prague if the Czechs resisted, to which Hitler seemed agreeable. Chamberlain took from his pocket a paper headed "Anglo–German Agreement", which contained three paragraphs, including a statement that the two nations considered the Munich Agreement "symbolic of the desire of our two peoples never to go to war again." According to Chamberlain, Hitler interjected "Ja! Ja!" ("Yes! Yes!"). The two men signed the paper then and there. When, later that day, German foreign minister Joachim von Ribbentrop remonstrated with Hitler for signing it, the Führer replied, "Oh, don't take it so seriously. That piece of paper is of no further significance whatever." Chamberlain, on the other hand, patted his breast pocket when he returned to his hotel for lunch and said, "I've got it!" Word leaked of the outcome of the meetings before Chamberlain's return, causing delight among many in London but gloom for Churchill and his supporters.
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Hitler apparently did this later on and I think that Chamberlain reacted appropriately:
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On 15 March 1939, Germany invaded the Czech provinces of Bohemia and Moravia, including Prague. Though Chamberlain's initial parliamentary response was, according to biographer Nick Smart, "feeble", within 48 hours he had spoken more forcefully against the German aggression. In another Birmingham speech, on 17 March, Chamberlain warned that Hitler was attempting to "dominate the world by force" and that "no greater mistake could be made than to suppose that because it believes war to be a senseless and cruel thing the nation has so lost its fibre that it will not take part to the utmost of its power in resisting such a challenge if it were ever made. The Prime Minister questioned whether the invasion of Czechoslovakia was "the end of an old adventure, or the beginning of a new" and whether it was "a step in the direction of an attempt to dominate the world by force." Colonial Secretary Malcolm MacDonald said, "whereas the Prime Minister was once a strong advocate of peace, he has now definitely swung around to the war point of view." This speech was met with widespread approval in Britain and recruitment for the armed services increased considerably.
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So in summation, I think that Chamberlain's attempt to find a diplomatic solution with Germany was good, because it showed that he had -tried- to achieve peace- it was Hitler who was apparently disdainful of it. So Chamberlain's flaw was in being too trusting of Hitler, but I also think that it can be hard to find a balance between being too trusting and being too cynical.
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We should still have peace in Ukraine, war machine dipshit.
 
Ross Dolan said:
Okay...and that is a reasonable way to deal with it. Another way is to return the insults. Neither is particularly good at changing behaior.


Let me leave this for now. Let me respond to the rest of your comments.



Then don't chose them. Chose me. I am insulting as hell to people, but not everyone. That holds true for almost every person who engages in insulting conversation. Some insult me to a huge degree...and then write glowing, friendly responses to others with whom they agree.

So choose me. Change my mind to agree with your contention using the respectful tone you have been using...and which, for the most part, I have been using in return...is better at getting me to change my mind than telling me to go fuck myself.

Okay, but I disagree.
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Debate is not about changing behavior, douche nozzle.
 
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