The Tea Party Did the Right Thing

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Discretionary spending FY01: 649 billion

Discretionary spending FY07: 1,041 biilion

Discretionary spending FY09: 1,237


As with Yurt, if you want to pretend 1/3 is the "bulk" feel free, but understand that your definition of "bulk" is different from everyone else.

1) why did you suddenly use discretionary spending for 2001? That chart began in 2002. you cannot have it both ways... either the first calendar year of a Presidents term belongs to the prior President or it does not. Which is it?

2) If you say 2001 belongs to Clinton and 2009 to Bush, then in the first 6 years under Bush, discretionary increases were about $300B (about $50B per year) and in the last two year it was $250B (about $125B per year). So yes, the bulk of the increases WERE in the last couple of years and that is when the poor fiscal policy became nightmarish.

3) If you say 2001 belongs to Bush then 2009 must likewise belong to Obama. In which case he would have increased spending and discretionary spending in a far worse manner than Bush. So again.... which is it?

 

[Damocles]

The fact of the matter is the TEA Party is not a single entity , but many. That is why it is a farse to ask them to denounce the racists within...their is no membership! It is a loosley defined group of individuals from all walks of life. It is mostly white, but then again conservative and independent voters are mostly white. Mark Wiliams is no more culpable for his bigoted speech than any actual member of the NAACP is for their's...maybe even less so as there is no national membership with the TEA Party as there is for the NAACP.

The movement, if defined at all, is defined by the conservative tenet of "limited government"! To make this component a racist one is specious and proves that racial divides at this juncture in our political lanscape are manufactured by the groups that benefit from doing so!

It has already been shown these past two weeks that racism in and of itself is not so much an institutional problem any longer (except for the KKK and New Black Panthers), but an individual one. Individuals like it or not have the freedom to think and speak whatever they feel...if the TEA party must police its individual elements so must the NAACP et al. This is why I can say that the NAACP and those who support there calling out the TEA Party are in fact hypocrites!

Exactly my point. The idea that "The" TEA Party has done something is false from its basic premise. There is no such entity. I think the word "Party" confuses people for some reason, it is simply a protest movement with no central controlling authority.

 

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1) why did you suddenly use discretionary spending for 2001? That chart began in 2002. you cannot have it both ways... either the first calendar year of a Presidents term belongs to the prior President or it does not. Which is it?

2) If you say 2001 belongs to Clinton and 2009 to Bush, then in the first 6 years under Bush, discretionary increases were about $300B (about $50B per year) and in the last two year it was $250B (about $125B per year). So yes, the bulk of the increases WERE in the last couple of years and that is when the poor fiscal policy became nightmarish.

3) If you say 2001 belongs to Bush then 2009 must likewise belong to Obama. In which case he would have increased spending and discretionary spending in a far worse manner than Bush. So again.... which is it?

1) Because the increase from 2001 to 2002 is an increase that Bush is responsible for. As president for 8 years, Bush is responsible for eight years worth of increases. That means from 01-02 (his first budget), 02-03, 03-04, 04-05, 05-06, 06-07, 07-08 and 08-09 (his last budget).

2) See above.

3) See above.

 

[Damocles]

No matter if you are looking at discretionary spending, entitlement spending or total spending.... ALL three went up dramatically in the last two years of Bush's tenure. (according to that chart)

So if you wish to 'get real' try and do the math with the numbers provided or show me why you think those numbers are not accurate.

This.

 

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1) Because the increase from 2001 to 2002 is an increase that Bush is responsible for. As president for 8 years, Bush is responsible for eight years worth of increases. That means from 01-02 (his first budget), 02-03, 03-04, 04-05, 05-06, 06-07, 07-08 and 08-09 (his last budget).

2) See above.

3) See above.

I stand corrected... that is valid... apparently my mind needs to kick into gear this morning. Good catch.

 

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This.

and don't forget, nigel obsessed on the discretionary spending because he thought tarp was included in that and not mandatory spending....once he "quietly" realized his error, he shut up

 

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I stand corrected... that is valid... apparently my mind needs to kick into gear this morning. Good catch.

obama is partly responsible for the 09 budget, however, i believe the report i linked to did not include obama's excessive spending in that budget, as it was solely focused on bush's spending

 

[christiefan915]

Exactly my point. The idea that "The" TEA Party has done something is false from its basic premise. There is no such entity. I think the word "Party" confuses people for some reason, it is simply a protest movement with no central controlling authority.

What is the National Tea Party federation and why do they have the right to eject someone from the movement?

Tea Party ouster

WASHINGTON -- With racism accusations roiling the conservative movement, the National Tea Party Federation has ejected conservative commentator Mark Williams over an incendiary blog post in which he wrote a fictitious letter to Abraham Lincoln.

The faux letter was written in the name of Benjamin Jealous, president of the National Association. for the Advancement of Colored People, in response to an NAACP resolution condemning "racist elements" within the Tea Party.

One passage read: "We Coloreds have taken a vote and decided that we don't cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!"

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10201/1073887-84.stm#ixzz0uFES2cc6

 

[Onceler]

What is the National Tea Party federation and why do they have the right to eject someone from the movement?

Tea Party ouster

WASHINGTON -- With racism accusations roiling the conservative movement, the National Tea Party Federation has ejected conservative commentator Mark Williams over an incendiary blog post in which he wrote a fictitious letter to Abraham Lincoln.

The faux letter was written in the name of Benjamin Jealous, president of the National Association. for the Advancement of Colored People, in response to an NAACP resolution condemning "racist elements" within the Tea Party.

One passage read: "We Coloreds have taken a vote and decided that we don't cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!"

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10201/1073887-84.stm#ixzz0uFES2cc6

Don't forget that they also had a "national convention" earlier this year, where Palin spoke. Sounds a lot like an "entity" to me.

 

[Damocles]

What is the National Tea Party federation and why do they have the right to eject someone from the movement?

Tea Party ouster

WASHINGTON -- With racism accusations roiling the conservative movement, the National Tea Party Federation has ejected conservative commentator Mark Williams over an incendiary blog post in which he wrote a fictitious letter to Abraham Lincoln.

The faux letter was written in the name of Benjamin Jealous, president of the National Association. for the Advancement of Colored People, in response to an NAACP resolution condemning "racist elements" within the Tea Party.

One passage read: "We Coloreds have taken a vote and decided that we don't cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!"

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10201/1073887-84.stm#ixzz0uFES2cc6

It is just another organization, seriously there is no centralized authority that controls any of the other entities, each of them have one person who set up their organization, this one has "national" in the title, I'd be willing to bet there may be even more than one "national" organization.

 

[Damocles]

Don't forget that they also had a "national convention" earlier this year, where Palin spoke. Sounds a lot like an "entity" to me.

A TEA Party organizer set up a "national" meeting. It's just silly to give it more weight than what it is. Tell me, who is "the" central figure with control over all the different TEA Party organizations? Each have their own organizer they are loosely connected by a name.

 

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It is just another organization, seriously there is no centralized authority that controls any of the other entities, each of them have one person who set up their organization, this one has "national" in the title, I'd be willing to bet there may be even more than one "national" organization.

Sure; that's why they had a convention.

And all they are really concerned about is more spending; really.

 

[Damocles]

Sure; that's why they had a convention.

And all they are really concerned about is more spending; really.

Again, one organizer set up a "convention"... In fact there has been more than one set up by different entities. The reality is there is no central "TEA Party", it is a movement with many different organizations, sometimes even competing. In CO the different organizations have promoted competing candidates even. This is a very loose association.

The most recent "unity" convention (these are put together in the hopes of creating a more united front, BECAUSE of the loose association) even suspended their meeting until October...

http://www.nationalteapartyconvention.com/

Like most of you, we are new to this and are not professional event planners. Unlike many other national organizations involved in this movement, we don’t have huge budgets for PR and Marketing departments. Everyone associated with the organizing of the first convention and this convention are just ordinary people like you trying to save our country in any way we can.

As stated before, we are new and are trying to include as many people as possible for this Unity convention. After all, it is for the people! This time for the West Coast...giving attendees facts, education, opportunities to meet people they would never be able to meet otherwise and most importantly feeding the hunger these people need to be around like-minded people.

There are "many" organizations on the national level in this particular movement.... Amazingly I predicted that.

 

[Onceler]

Again, one organizer set up a "convention"... In fact there has been more than one set up by different entities. The reality is there is no central "TEA Party", it is a movement with many different organizations, sometimes even competing. In CO the different organizations have promoted competing candidates even. This is a very loose association.

Sure thing. I'll take your word for it.

You tend to be pretty impartial when it comes to the TEA folks.

 

[Damocles]

How 'bout those organizers themselves?

Like most of you, we are new to this and are not professional event planners. Unlike many other national organizations involved in this movement, we don’t have huge budgets for PR and Marketing departments. Everyone associated with the organizing of the first convention and this convention are just ordinary people like you trying to save our country in any way we can.

As stated before, we are new and are trying to include as many people as possible for this Unity convention. After all, it is for the people! This time for the West Coast...giving attendees facts, education, opportunities to meet people they would never be able to meet otherwise and most importantly feeding the hunger these people need to be around like-minded people.

http://www.nationalteapartyconvention.com/

A "unity" convention is an attempt to get the many organizations onto the same page, because there is no central authority.

 

[Taichiliberal]

Originally Posted by christiefan915
What is the National Tea Party federation and why do they have the right to eject someone from the movement?

Tea Party ouster

WASHINGTON -- With racism accusations roiling the conservative movement, the National Tea Party Federation has ejected conservative commentator Mark Williams over an incendiary blog post in which he wrote a fictitious letter to Abraham Lincoln.

The faux letter was written in the name of Benjamin Jealous, president of the National Association. for the Advancement of Colored People, in response to an NAACP resolution condemning "racist elements" within the Tea Party.

One passage read: "We Coloreds have taken a vote and decided that we don't cotton to that whole emancipation thing. Freedom means having to work for real, think for ourselves, and take consequences along with the rewards. That is just far too much to ask of us Colored People and we demand that it stop!"

Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10201...#ixzz0uFES2cc6

Don't forget that they also had a "national convention" earlier this year, where Palin spoke. Sounds a lot like an "entity" to me.

Bottom line: without jokers like Dick Armey and his Freedomworks gig, withouth the consistant promotion by Fox News, WND, NewsMax gasbags, the whole teabagger BS would NOT exist in the various forms we have to endure now. Period.

And another thing: someone needs to wise up these African American teabaggers that if it weren't for a strong federal gov't to supercede certain state policies, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE A TEABAGGER IN MANY STATES, AS JIM CROW LAWS WOULD STILL EXIST!